Cuba to US: FUCK OFF

[dojafx]

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A jogger passes a billboard with scenes from Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-run Iraqi prison Abu Ghraib, set up on Havana's seafront boulevard Malecon across from the U.S. Interest Section, December 17, 2004. The United States had rejected Cuba's demand to remove Christmas lights in front of the American mission, which include the number 75, in reference to 75 pro-democracy activists imprisoned in Cuba.

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[mental invalid]

US to CUBA:

stop fucking locking up dissidents and continuing to depress democratic and commercial reforms, also fidel please fucking die and when you do make sure the billion something dollars you have in assets go back into the hands of people you took it from, you are nothing but a fucking corrupted dictator who took ideals and and power and set your country onto a third world path while you rolled in the fucking mud like a pig...

thanks,

uncle sam

[seeking]

""There couldn't be a better contrast: the U.S. wishing Cubans happy holidays, Frosty waving at passers-by and an effort to prompt discussion on human rights on the one side, and screaming Cuban government billboards on the other," he said"
is that guy fucking serious?!

fuck, i love shit like this. no bullshit, no assemblies, no ass kissing, no fake smiles, just a 'FUCK YOU'.
if everyone handled their shit like this, there wouldnt be half as many problems.

[mental invalid]

clearly the US is equal to the Nazi regime....


hooray for all the dumb asses out in the world!!

[dojafx]

Originally posted by mental invalid@Dec 17 2004, 09:10 PM
US to CUBA:

stop fucking locking up dissidents and continuing to depress democratic and commercial reforms, also fidel please fucking die and when you do make sure the billion something dollars you have in assets go back into the hands of people you took it from, you are nothing but a fucking corrupted dictator who took ideals and and power and set your country onto a third world path while you rolled in the fucking mud like a pig...

thanks,

uncle sam
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Right! Lets make sure all those exiles get their money back, even the ones that promoted slave trade, and the economic exploitation of the general populace

lets go back to like it was before fidel!
with the mafia running the casino industry
and the only available employment for women being prostitution!
wooo!
:yuck:

[mental invalid]

hey dipshit, who said anything about it being a grand ole time before fidel? and who said anything about going back to those times?

i certainly didnt, no matter how you want to force feed those words...

what do you come from the sean hannity school of debates...

all im saying to fidel is pipe the fuck down, the man is a dictator and deserves no public platform to dicuss anything....

[imported_Tesseract]

mental, you seriously trust forbes magazine as a source to how much money fidel 'stole from the people'?...its a bit absurd.

On a related note, its funny how all us westerners like to talk about how much money fidel stole and how much money arafat had..and just how secretely corrupted all these dicators are when our own leaders reconstruct entire countries we invaded/bought using companies they practically own and we concider that common ground and pretty dull as an observation

[KYU]

fidel stole money from his own people? dont recall that.. i remember him repossesing a shit load of US owned cuban land in the revolution. when did he steal money from the people?

[ODS-1]

Originally posted by mental invalid@Dec 17 2004, 04:10 PM
US to CUBA:

stop fucking locking up dissidents and continuing to depress democratic and commercial reforms, also fidel please fucking die and when you do make sure the billion something dollars you have in assets go back into the hands of people you took it from, you are nothing but a fucking corrupted dictator who took ideals and and power and set your country onto a third world path while you rolled in the fucking mud like a pig...

thanks,

uncle sam
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The US fucking locks up dissidents too!

[BROWNer]

^that's a bit of a comparative stretch..
in the US dissidents are marginalized.

[metallix]

Originally posted by BROWNer@Dec 18 2004, 05:24 PM
^that's a bit of a comparative stretch..
in the US dissidents are marginalized.
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i disagree. theres plenty of evidence for my disagreement. but i dont feel like posting it. google.com

[villain]

Well the US will do anything from Marginalize to disappear/kill people.

For instance the Octopus conspiracy:

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id901/pg2/

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1553/pg2/

And of course the infamous cointelpro.
And our friends leonard peltier and mumia abu jamal....
In fact here is a list of some:

http://www.prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/pplist-alpha.shtml

And there's a ton more examples. It really depends on your situation. And if it's not solved by the law it's solved on the streets.
Whether they know it or not many gang members and extremists are tools of higher political ideologies and their more established adherents.

[ODS-1]

Originally posted by BROWNer@Dec 18 2004, 05:24 PM
^that's a bit of a comparative stretch..
in the US dissidents are marginalized.
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People in New York were held at a pier full of old toxic chemicals after being arrested for protesting the rnc in nyc. Maybe this isn't as bad as in Cuba, but from first hand experience, I know that the way the US treats it's dissidents, it's only getting worse.

[BROWNer]

sorry, the operative phrase there is comparative stretch.

[villain]

I gotcha BROWNster....
It's pretty bad here. But definately less publicized.
We have the Attorney Generals List... which is like a watchlist. I'm sure with Bush and office and the passing of the patriot act there are many more political activists on that list. Maybe even me! :scowl:

[ODS-1]

S

[ODS-1]

Some activists can even utilize air travel anymore, because the government has shoved them in with a group of radical religious extremists who actually want to cause harm, when all these activists are doing is say that maybe there's a better way to do things.

[ODS-1]

Some activists can't even utilize air travel anymore, because the government has shoved them in with a group of radical religious extremists who actually want to cause harm, when all these activists are doing is say that maybe there's a better way to do things. I personally heard of someone who flew somewhere, and then when they tried to get back they couldn't because their name was on a list. They were stuck.
Edit*Sorry, I don't know why it posted 3 times.

[villain]

I've heard about this kind of thing happening.
Yeah the patriot act actually included ACTIVISTS as TERRORISTS... I don't know if this is still the case but it has always been extrodinarily retarted.

[BROWNer]

somebody school me on mumia.
i mean, holy shit, if ed asner is all up on that shit..

[villain]

http://www.mumia.org/freedom.now/

I dunno alot about it honestly.... but I guess he was a black panther, and someone killed a cop, cops didn't know who to blame so they picked black panther guy here, even though he is innocent. One of those stories... something like that.
I always figured that it was getting enough attention in the underground so I diverted my attention toward more overlooked subjects. Not that I don't care about him... I mean, what can I do really? Protest for him yeah sure. Raise peoples awareness okay.
I just copped a cd the other day "No More Prisons 2" .... dope shit... this is their website:
http://www.nomoreprisons.com
Whoops that link is dead now.... :(

and http://www.raptivism.com
This is good...
Proceeds go to the Prison Moratorium Project.

[ODS-1]

Are you sure he was a panther?
Anyway, the way the U.S. treats it's citizens who think differently is fucked up.

[!@#$%]

we're all fucked.
happy holidays.

[seeking]

mumia was a panther as well as an award winning journalist. while he was moonlighting as a cab driver, a cop got killed, he was in the vicinity and was charged, despite the only eye witnesses being prostitutes and addicts that were clearly coached through their confessions and later recinded them. the ballistics evidence did not match up at all (mumia admitted to owning a handgun, but it was not the same calibre). almost all the evidence i've ever heard of is either completely circumstantial, completely bullshit (outragous claims of mumia admitting his guilt to a cop who later 'dissapeared' right before the trial so he could not be cros examined) etc, etc. he was barred from defending himself, even though it's his constitutional right. he was then barred from having the council of his chosing (a member of philadelphias MOVE organization, a panther-esq group that was immortalized when the philly police dropped a bomb (literally) from a helicopter onto a house they were staying in, killing 11 people, mostly women and children, and burning down several blocks of houses). he was then given a public defender who was barred after his case for legal incompetence. when he was even allowed to be in the court room , he was often chained to his chair and gagged during the (all of which, including not allowing the defendant to be in teh courtroom, are illegal).

i used to be real into this whole thing back in the early 90's. the panthers in specific, by mumia by association. truthfully, i dont know for certain that he is innocent (although i lean that way), but i do know that the court case was a complete fucking sham and if anyone has ever deserved a retrial, it's mumia. if you read through the details, it's honestly insane the shit that surrounds this case and the civil liberties he was stripped of.
last i heard, he had been taken off death row and has been given a life sentence in it's place.

dozens of countries have called for a retrial, including much of the EU.

tom ridge, our sec of homeland defense was the gov. of pennsylvania, underwhich all of this happened.

thats all i have to say about that. ha.

[seeking]

oh, and if fidel has stolen billions of dollars from his people, i'd like to see some proof of this. dude might be a 'dictator', but he does not at all strike me as the thieving sort.

[!@#$%]

^ yeah, i'm thinking that all the sanctions imposed on cuba by the u.s. don't exactly help with the money making.

[villain]

Ahh... seeking is very informed on mumia... thank you.

[seeking]

re: fidel, last i heard, the standard of living in cuba was pretty decent. their health care system rivals ours (and is free for everyone). they have very low illiteracy rate, unemployment etc.
i could be confusing them with another country, but as far as 'basic needs' are concerned, there are a hell of a lot of countries with less going for them.

[imported_Tesseract]

You're not confusing them with another country...its just too damn hard for people to actually believe all that..i always liked fidel and i still do

[seeking]

i just like the fact that from what i can see, dude really does seem to be all about 'cuba', and preserving his countries identity and culture. it might border on totalitarian at times, and im sure there are certain acts i wouldnt agree with, but dude is one man trying to battle teh rest of the western world, shit is not easy. sometimes the bunker you have to build to keep others out, unfortunately keeps you boxed in. which is worse?

again, i dont know much about life in cuba, but i do know that life in america isn't really that great. sure we have a lot of 'comforts', but we also have a level of alienation (as a result of these comforts) that is second to none. maybe it's just me being homo, but i'd trade in my laptop, my emails and my instant messages for friends that i could ride a bike down the block to hang out with.

[imported_dowmagik]

if you guys want an example of dissidents being treated unfairly check out the jeff luers case. hes a cat from my city that was given a 22 year prison sentence for torching 3 suvs in a car lot.

[<KEY3>]

A good friend of my mother is living in cuba now.
He started going down with canadian tourists and
running bike tours around the island. He'd arrange
for all the hotels along the way and a van to carry
the baggage. He's since moved down there and
married a spanish flamenco dancer. Sounds like a dream?

Because of this man I've always had an interest in the real cuba.
The resorts are for tourists and NOT for the locals. There's stores
set up for visiting tourists that sell goods that the locals cant buy.
You know when teenagers ask you to buy beer for them outside
of the store? Well it's like that in Cuba just it's grown men asking
you to buy perfume so they can give it to their wives.

There's a sign in Cuba that says 'There's a hundred million homless
children in the world.... and none of them live in Cuba.'
I'm not really sure about the truth of that statemment, so I'll just put it out there.

Now here's one thing that scares me:
When Fidel finally passes away a new era will begin.
Maybe it's a stretch but I see Cuban culture like first nation culture before coloumbus.
They make do with very little, but have huge hearts and truly embrace
family like the west has seemed to forget. If the Cubans open up to
the potential $300 million is US tourist dollars.... it could change everything.
I dont want to see a culture exploited. (and dont get me started on the german sex tourists!!)

[BROWNer]

cuba has a pretty fresh farming revival going on too.
partly due to the sanctions, many farmers are going
back to the old school way of farming without resorting
to pesticiding everything under the sun.

[BANZ]

Fuck the USA goverment! here in Latin America is the common frace, but here we say it in spanish... ^_^
I mean, common people, do you live always in you're world only, i will be glad to take all of you kids on a trip arround Latin America so you can see what the dictator sponsored by the US have done, also so you can see with you're own 1º world eyes wath the IMF has done to us.
Fidel is kindda hero for the people here, cause he stand agains you're goverment.

Just wanna give you the 3º world sice of the things.

[wiseguy]

i remember hearing on some retarded news channel, the "links" between "al quaida and fidel castro". yeah, fucking sure...

and i too have heard that the public healthcare there rules over on public healthcare in america.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Originally posted by seeking@Dec 21 2004, 09:05 AM
re: fidel, last i heard, the standard of living in cuba was pretty decent. their health care system rivals ours (and is free for everyone). they have very low illiteracy rate, unemployment etc.
i could be confusing them with another country, but as far as 'basic needs' are concerned, there are a hell of a lot of countries with less going for them.
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Everything there is correct except the standard of living part.

Cuba is far from paradise, and Fidel is not a hero (he could have been). He's also not as bad as they paint him out to be, but homeboy is nowhere near a role model. I find it funny that people say "I haven't seen any proof that he stole from the people"... as if there was ever gonna be any, sitting plain as day, with a government that would obviously go toincredible lengths to repress such a thing. Do some research with the same fervor you guys look for info on US government shadiness and I'm sure you'll find something. Unless, of course, all you search are sites that would empathize with Castro.

I'm personally very interested, as Kilo is, in seeing what the post-Castro era brings.

[imported_Tesseract]

My bet would be Cuba being turned into disneyland at notime and if you ask me thats the worse thing that could happen

[imported_El Mamerro]

See, I don't think the death of Castro will mean a total green light for the US to come and raze the place. The man has a super strong following and the pro-Communism Cuban spirit is strong enough to continue at least some aspects of Castro's legacy.

We'll have to see just how much money talks. And I'm afraid it's gonna be loud.

[SteveAustin]

shit will definitely be interesting.

who is set to succeed him? I'm not real up on my cuban knowledge sans cigars.

[imported_El Mamerro]

Originally posted by SteveAustin@Dec 22 2004, 10:38 AM
shit will definitely be interesting.

who is set to succeed him? I'm not real up on my cuban knowledge sans cigars.
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#1 choice is definitely his brother, Raúl, commander of the armed forces. Other choices could be Ricardo Alarcón, head of the National Assembly, or vice-president Carlos Lage. Nothing's set in stone.

I'm not a fan of Raúl either, but the other two guys are actually pretty solid.

[imported_Tesseract]

I wish, still so far history has proved that along with the death of charismatic leaders their whole system collapses. Hopefully it wont be the case for cuba.

[BANZ]

Just something else i want to say to all the US supourters(sorry for my pour english ^_^)
What makes you thing that the way you people live it's the best way of live for all the world?

[imported_El Mamerro]

^Dude, don't worry. The vast majority of us on this site feel the same way you do.

[SteveAustin]

In my best texan accent....Whhhell...cuz we're Mericans...and Christians!

ha-ha...I totally heard that coming from the oil baron cowboy on the simpons.

yeah, anyway...like mamerro said...the vast majority of those with some intelligence see it the same way as you.

as far as leadership changes...blood relatives taking over always makes me nervous.

[seeking]

mams,
i'm not expecting anything to be in plain site, and ive stressed my near total ignorance on the subject, i'm jsut saying from what i can tell, fidel does not seem like the type of leader that would allow his people to starve while he sat on some immense stockpile of wealth. i've always got the impression that his lack of luxurious living is one of the things that keeps his people loyal to him.

either way, i wont look it up because it's not that important to me. several months ago i probably would have, but now i'm too drained. if it doesnt involve gay people i dont care about it.

id like to think that cuba will hold strong, but i'll be amazed if it does. i'm amazed that it has done so for this long.

[!@#$%]

Originally posted by BANZ@Dec 22 2004, 02:25 PM
all the US supourters

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i'm from the u.s. and i don't consider myself a u.s. supporter.
i don't delude myself into thinking that americanization is a good thing.

unfortunately i cannot offer any explanation as to why half of the country supports the imperialist warmonger and his insatiable appetite for oil.



:(

[<KEY3>]

^ i'd say it's simple inertia.

[KaBar2]

My wife's employer is the son of a Cuban refugee. He spent nine years in prison in Cuba because he participated in an anti-Castro political movement in Cuba. The biggest crime was that they had possession of a hand-cranked mimeograph machine, and had created mimeographed leaflets criticizing Castro, the Cuban Revolution, and socialism. The mimeograph was hidden, so when they were first arrested, there was no proof, but after several weeks of beating and torture on the Isle of Pines, one of the men's wives broke, and told where it was stashed. In all, eleven people went to prison for the leaflets and being "enemies of the Revolution."

Four came out alive. The health of two of the four survivors was broken in prison, and they were essentially invalids. Several of the original group were executed, the rest died of untreated illnesses like heart disease, pnuemonia, etc.

Thanks to a very large bribe from his brother in the U.S., my wife's employer's father was released from prison. All his money, all his property, all his assets were seized by the Cuban government. His home was given to a Communist Party political functionary. His wife and kids were living a a starvation level. They arrived in the U.S. with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

The brother here worked for a construction company cleaning building sites. Today, he is a security guard. The imprisoned brother now owns a multi-million dollar company and employs scores of Spanish-speaking immigrants as truck drivers, mechanics, laborers, office staff and so forth. He built it up from a single used dump truck.

Cuba is a dictatorship. They imprison people for "crimes" considerably less offensive than we commit on this web site every day. Maybe there are no homeless children in Cuba, but it's at the expense of there being no freedom in Cuba either.

Castro could have been a genuine hero, but he could not resist the temptation to seize power and control for himself and his family and his political cronies. Like all dictators, he lived like a king while the people barely had food to eat. He's just another Communist thug.

[villain]

Castro sucks, Bush sucks... I'm just enjoying all of the open criticism which there is not nearly enough of. It helps keep the political dialogue honest.

[dojafx]

a king who only wears military fatiuges?
when you call for the overthrow of a government, and/or support people activley trying to overthrow that government or people who commit terrorist acts against the people of that country what do you expect?
i dont know the specifics of your wifes employer's situation kabar, but i do know many of these "political dissidents" in miami have conducted terrorist acts against the cuban people

[villain]

the bay of pigs being a primary example..... fresh recruits from the school of the americas.

[imported_garth vader]

Originally posted by <KEY3>@Dec 21 2004, 04:56 PM
.

Now here's one thing that scares me:
When Fidel finally passes away a new era will begin.
Maybe it's a stretch but I see Cuban culture like first nation culture before columbus.
They make do with very little, but have huge hearts and truly embrace
family like the west has seemed to forget. If the Cubans open up to
the potential $300 million is US tourist dollars.... it could change everything.
I dont want to see a culture exploited. (and dont get me started on the german sex tourists!!)
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Yeah it's a stretch. You should say: " I see Cuban culture like Cuban culture before columbus"

but it doesn't work that way, you're trying to compare genocide to exploitation. By exploiting the culture it would probably encourage their culture, maybe the language might change to english, but what the hell, they seem to be pretty down with the whole syncretic culture.

[insane30]

they bay of pigs as someone mentioned earlier is a total diff story. KENNEDY should rot in hell for leaving those ppl overthere. my grandfather and great uncle got tortured and died cuz of that faggot. im glad he got assicinated. anyone who supports or supported kennedys position on the bay of pigs should rot in hell next to him. i do feel strongly cuz i am cuban and do live in miami. castro sucks dick and deserves to rot in hell right below kennedy. he tortured so many cubans with his own hands its imaginable. if you are not informed about this please dnt act like you are because one lil slip up of words can cause a whole lot of fuss. if u didnt know. before castro, cuba was advanced like a motherfucker. the best hotels, economy, tourism, is all of latin america, now look what the shithole has become. pictures my gma n shit show me amaze me cuz i know the poor, dirty, nasty cuba. she knows the beautiful cuba that once prospered with wealth, as do many elder cubans. and when someone sais that before castro casinos were owned by mafia... at least there were no problems. ppl said str8 up "fuck you", if they killed you they killed you, if not u lived for another day. alot more simple those days. survival of the fucken fittest. dnt feel sry for ppl cuz u will get sucked in.

[BROWNer]

hahaha, ^this insane dude is a gem.

[dojafx]

Originally posted by insane30@Jan 11 2005, 04:02 AM
they bay of pigs as someone mentioned earlier is a total diff story. KENNEDY should rot in hell for leaving those ppl overthere. my grandfather and great uncle got tortured and died cuz of that faggot. im glad he got assicinated. anyone who supports or supported kennedys position on the bay of pigs should rot in hell next to him. i do feel strongly cuz i am cuban and do live in miami. castro sucks dick and deserves to rot in hell right below kennedy. he tortured so many cubans with his own hands its imaginable. if you are not informed about this please dnt act like you are because one lil slip up of words can cause a whole lot of fuss. if u didnt know. before castro, cuba was advanced like a motherfucker. the best hotels, economy, tourism, is all of latin america, now look what the shithole has become. pictures my gma n shit show me amaze me cuz i know the poor, dirty, nasty cuba. she knows the beautiful cuba that once prospered with wealth, as do many elder cubans. and when someone sais that before castro casinos were owned by mafia... at least there were no problems. ppl said str8 up "fuck you", if they killed you they killed you, if not u lived for another day. alot more simple those days. survival of the fucken fittest. dnt feel sry for ppl cuz u will get sucked in.
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yeah, i'm sure you would've loved it back then when your country was owned by the united states.