Is President Bush about to fuck the right wing?

[KaBar2]

I read a little bitty article in the back pages of the Houston Chronicle this morning that during the Senate confirmation hearings for Alberto Gonzales' designate, Mr. Gonzales said he SUPPORTS EXTENDING THE EXPIRED FEDERAL BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS.

He also told Senators he wants to reauthorize the Patriot Act this year, despite complaints that it is too intrusive.

I cursed for a solid ten minutes after reading that. You absolutely cannot trust a motherfucking politician, they will promise you ANYTHING to get elected, and as soon as they have the power, you get the back of their hand.

Go ahead, Republicans, fuck us over. Then say "Adios" to the White House, you sorry, backstabbing dicksuckers. Can the Republican collective memory possibly be so short? Do they not recall that we dropped Bush 41 like a hot skillet when he signed the bill banning importaion of foreign assault weapons the first time? Does NOBODY remember a wack job like Perot getting 17% of the Republican vote?

Stupid motherfucking Republicans best not forget who buttered their bread. We put 'em in, and we can damned sure put 'em OUT.

The three most frequent lies in the world:

"The check's in the mail."
"Of course I want to settle down someday."
"I won't come in your mouth, honey, I promise."

And we can add to those three---
"I support the Second Amendment, lock, stock and barrel."

[angelofdeath]

constitution party or libertarians here i come. now if they only had a chance of winning.

[!@#$%]

:cry: :cry2:

oh no!!!!!!
what will i do now?!?!?!

[SteveAustin]

maybe you're the one that should have remembered the republicans track record.

49% of the rest of America did.

[villain]

lol.... Don't fuck with Kabar's guns....
I've been trying to tell you guys that they are not even republicans. I think it's safe to say that they are now complete corporatists/fascists.... so of course they would want gun control and the patriot act.

And I don't think voting in '08 is going to make a difference if the recount doesn't make a difference NOW. There is a precedent being set to make vote fraud an accepted norm. I think this "We need to reorganize the democratic party" talk is really a ruse to keep us believing that maybe the democrats need to fix the party rather than fix the damn voting system.

Oh, and Gonzales is scum.

[mental invalid]

"Stupid motherfucking Republicans best not forget who buttered their bread. We put 'em in, and we can damned sure put 'em OUT."


stop, cause you dont know what youre talking about...yes you were a constituency, but please, youre sounding off a little to much...you sound like the christian right and the dues that they think they are owed...

[ODS-1]

Gonzalez is going to make torture in schools regular practice for "bad kids".

[<KEY3>]

I hear the Christian Far Right want to ban Spongebob (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=musicNews&storyID=2005-01-21T003901Z_01_N20520332_RTRIDST_0_MUSIC-LIFE-SPONGEBOB-DC.XML)

(they think he's gay}

[BROWNer]

^wow. picking up from that,
read this (http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html?pg=1) for true *political jesus insanity.

[dojafx]

i was watching on CNN or someshit senators interviewing this guy
his evading questions skills were amazing!
he'll fit in great!
but seriously, i'd like some more guns now
specifically a JLD PTR91 with retracable stock, flash hider, and bayonet mount!

[angelofdeath]

im not concerned with the real right wingers, its moderate republicans that are the trouble for the right. im still not convinced the republicans will pass any real gun control measure pass. its possible, but there will be a shit storm if so. the repubs will not piss off there base to go and ban guns. and as for the dems.... they are fucking hopeless. fuck them. they dont just need reform, they need a fucking clue. ron paul in 08.

[dojafx]

on another gun related note - Kabar, do you have any experience building firearms, i've been looking into making a homebrew FAL but i'm not sure as i dont have access to a press or parkerizing setup
holler.

[KING BLING]

The bullet or the ballot box?!?!?

Hell, they stole both Kabar...

[Poop Man Bob]

I hate to say I told you so.

[justaname]

i will say it for you "I TOLD YOU SO!"

[ledzep]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050121/capt.ny11701211526.bush_satanic_sign_ny117.jpg
hail satan!

[KaBar2]

LOL. I can always count on you guys to make me feel better when I'm busy thrashing about impotently. I'm with Angelofdeath--Libertarian Party '08, here I come.
It's hard to believe the Norwegians' reaction to the "Hook 'em, Horns" sign. I didn't even know "Death Metal" music existed, not to mention that the Norwegians had people running around murdering each other over satanic rock music. (File this under "Not enough to keep themselves busy during a long, cold winter.")

Now--as far as building an FAL, yes, I know how to do it. Assembling an FAL without any shop tools is pretty difficult, but a lot of the specialized shop tools one would need can be built in a home workshop if you are pretty handy with tools, like barrel vise, receiver wrench and so on.

First order of business--subscribe to Shotgun News 1-800-345-6923 or go online at www.shotgunnews.com. (12 issues) $19.95, 1-year subscription (36 issues) $34.95. Some news stands sell SGN single copy for $1.50 or $2.00. Look for it. SGN has everything you could possibly need to get into the assembling of your own firearms. Don't forget, you must be 18 to own a rifle. (Break the law, pay the price.)

Try DSA at www.dsarms.com or Tapco at www.tapco.com or especially Numrich Gun Parts Corporation www.e-GunParts.com for parts. Numrich sells an awesome catalog of just about every gun part in the world for $14.95. 1-866-686-7424.

You might want a few specialized tools even for routine maintenance of an FAL, including front sight adjustment tool, gas regulator spanner wrench, combination tool for buttstock and pistol grip and the extractor disassembly tool (if you take out the extractor using a punch, it will very likely go "sproing" and disappear forever.)

Buy the video/ DVD for assembling an FAL from American Gunsmithing Institute for $29.95 VHS#122 or DVD# 1224---www.americangunsmith.com or 1-800-797-0867.

A good source for gunsmithing tools is Brownell's 1-800-741-0015 in Montezuma, Iowa www.brownells.com

Are you SURE you wouldn't rather get into building AR15's, which require VERY FEW specialized tools, all of which are easily available through mail order houses? The barrel/receiver headspace on an AR15 is already set when they make the barrel, so it's just a matter of putting the two together and torqueing the barrel nut. Think about it.

Go to a gun show and find a gunbook seller, and buy a MANUAL on how to build and repair the FAL.

[villain]

Yeah shotgun news is the shit.... you can find anti aircraft cannons in there....
Shit I found some formerly KGB psychotronic devices on ebay some months ago....
But whatever...
I got the combat guns annual and it features the LMT AR15.... hyping it up good... looks good.

But really Kabar, I thought a guy like you would be more paranoid than you have been lately. I'm disappointed. But I see you are coming around. You know what my paranoia is telling me now? That since they have the clackas to defy such a basic component to the republican party platform, this says to me that they are not worried about losing again. ever.

[dojafx]

*edit
nevermind, i found model 1 sales
wooo

[bodice_ripper]

no way! Bush is dishonest? balls, if only someone had told us BEFORE the election.

Its nice that life made you look like a twat on this occasion Kabar.....

[<KEY3>]

yeah right...... throwing up 'the horns' has been a sign for the devil since Black Sabbath, and probalby goes back to the pagans.

granted Bush knows nothing about culture outside of texas,
but someone should have warned him. Apparently the 'victory'
symbol backwards has a negative meaning to some people too!

[heavyLox]

Coe listed other men who had changed the world through the strength of the covenants they had forged with their “brothers”: “Look at Hitler,” he said. “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden.” The Family, of course, possessed a weapon those leaders lacked: the “total Jesus” of a brotherhood in Christ.

the TOTAL jesus, sounds like a home fitness regiment or something.

**** Stores neatly under your bed.

[KaBar2]

This whole deal with the Republicans keeps getting repeated over and over and over. The right wing keeps hoping that the GOP isn't lying (this time) and the GOP always has it's fingers crossed. So you Democrats can get ready to see your candidate win in '08, because the GOP is probably going to fuck the ultraconservatives (again) and then the 25% or so of the GOP that is not part of the Republicrats Circle Jerk will vote for a third party candidate (like Perot) who doesn't have the chance of a snowball in Hell of winning just to wise their sorry asses up. Then in 2012, they'll come crawling back, begging us to vote Republican again, promising that this time, they'll really support the Second Amendment, that this time, they'll really support a Family Values agenda, etc., etc.

By 2012, the right wing will be sick of getting butt fucked by the Democrats, so they will reluctantly agree to support the Republicans again.

This shit never ends. Maybe the separatists are right, we should just divide the fucking country and go our separate ways. New York, the New England States and California have been practically foreigners for thirty or forty years anyway. Fuck it, let's make it official.

[bodice_ripper]

Originally posted by KaBar2@Jan 25 2005, 07:21 AM
New York, the New England States and California have been practically foreigners for thirty or forty years anyway. Fuck it, let's make it official.
Quoted post



It was my understanding that these states have more jobs and provide more tax dollars.....

[KaBar2]

Of course California and New York and New England are valuable, but they are definately not indispensible. Those states despise the rest of the country anyway. Somehow or another they think that the rest of us are a bunch of Neanderthal cretins and they are the "Annointed Ones." So I say, just let them go their own way, see how they do with all their idiotic, self-destructive attitudes and policies all by their lonesome. California is like a festering pus-filled chanchre already. I fully expect it to burst wide open just any day. "Los Angeles in flames, thousands feared dead," is a headline I fully expect to see. The state of California will eventually become part of Mexico, I think. L.A. is the second largest MEXICAN CITY in the world, right next to Mexico City itself. That is, the second largest city composed of Mexican nationals. After the Los Angeles Riot, I figure it's just a matter of time.

Did you guys realize that several cities in Utah, Oregon and other places in the West increased in size about 10% after the L.A. Riots? They call the new subdivisions "Rodney King" developments. Like a lot of other American cities, Los Angeles is going to eventually be mostly minorities. My own city, Houston, is already about 53% black. Whites make up less than 25% now. The rest are pretty much illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America.

The more things become this way, the worse things get. I do not look upon the future with a hopeful attitude.

[mental invalid]

Of course California and New York and New England are valuable, but they are definately not indispensible. Those states despise the rest of the country anyway. Somehow or another they think that the rest of us are a bunch of Neanderthal cretins and they are the "Annointed Ones."



you are a bunch of cretins, have you ever listened to yourself speak??

[seeking]

"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."

this is hillarious. you're like the bratty fat kid from harry potter who finally didn't get his way. haha. what the fuck did you expect kabar? your beloved 'freedom loving' right wing passes the most invasive attack on american civil freedom EVER and you sit idly by while 'mother knows best' democrats try to repeal it, because even though bush ADMITTED ON NATIONAL TV to supporting the (completely useless) AWB, he did not re-sign it into law, because other people dropped the ball. he WOULD HAVE signed it, he said, if it had made it to his desk. it's ok to spy on americans, to read our emails, to search us for no reason, to hold us without prosecuting us or even admitting to having us in their posession, but somehow you thought they werent going to come for your guns? haha. how fucking blind are you homeboy?!

earth to single issue, gun fetish voters, america is a DEMOCRACY and the majority of americans DO NOT WANT YOU TO HAVE A MACHINE GUN. i wont bother pointing out (again) the complete uselessness and over estimation of your 'militias', but i will say (again) that majority (right or wrong) rules here, and the majority realizes that machine guns are more trouble than they're worth. you CAN NOT win in a war against our government, because it will NOT be a ground war fought with rifles. this is 2005, hand to hand combat is over, wars are won and lost with information and propoganda and while you're busy collecting guns and corn in your underground bunkers, you're being more and more marginalized and more ill equipped to deal with the emerging world.
but hey, by all means, focus on nothing but guns, it gives us all something hysterical to laugh at.

[Raspanator]

i like bush as in puuuussaaay!

[KING BLING]

Kabar, I think your ideas about the perceptions held by eastern and western state liberals is the sign of the same old republican fear of things they cannot control and too much satellite TV time in the trailer <jokes>...people do not see the world the way you see it for them. I really liked this article about abortion and I think it gives a solid representation of your concept of values and the facts. As far as republicans screwing you, THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS NOR MORAL, THEY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR FREEDOM, they use your angry emotionaly driven beliefs to further a corporate friendly, isolationist and liberty killing agenda to support the very powerful....any how, read:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6830928/site/newsweek/

If a minor in the state of Mississippi is impregnated by her father, she needs only the consent of her mother to have an abortion
By Anna Quindlen

NewsweekJan. 24 issue - There is now only a single abortion clinic in Mississippi. Once there were seven. There are nearly 3 million people living in the state. No other state with only one abortion clinic has as many residents. Mississippi has enacted every restriction on abortion possible within the limits set by the Supreme Court.

Among them is a provision that a woman must be counseled in person about the procedure and then wait 24 hours before being permitted to have it performed.

In 2000, researchers published a study of the effects of the waiting period. It showed that the number of later abortions increased sharply among Mississippi residents who relied on local clinics but not among those able to travel to neighboring states. The study showed that after the waiting period went into effect the number of second-trimester procedures in the state rose from 7.5 percent of all abortions to 11.5 percent.

That study was done before the legislature passed a bill that would bar all clinic abortions after the first trimester. A federal judge blocked its enforcement, saying he couldn't understand how it "does anything to further the state's professed desire to protect the health and safety of women."

Mandatory counseling includes a lecture that notes that medical benefits may be available for prenatal, childbirth and neonatal care. The woman seeking an abortion must receive a list of services and agencies that could assist her in having a child, including those that handle adoptions.

Mississippi has the highest infant-mortality rate in the nation and ranks 43rd among the 50 states in the number of women who have health insurance, according to a recent report by the Institute for Women's Policy Research. In 2004, the state failed to meet national standards on the length of time it took to restore foster children to their birth families and to place a child for adoption.

According to the Census, the average household in Mississippi has an income of just over $31,000 annually, about $10,000 below the national average. According to the Department of Agriculture, the cost of raising a child to age 18 is around $200,000.

The counseling provisions also require that patients in Mississippi be told that abortion may increase the risk of breast cancer.

The National Cancer Institute reported last year that there is no scientific evidence to support that contention. The British medical journal The Lancet looked at dozens of studies and concluded there was no link.

Mississippi is one of only two states that require a minor to get the consent of both parents to have an abortion. If the minor has been impregnated by her father, she needs only the consent of her mother.

The state has the highest teen birthrate in America. While nationwide the teenage-pregnancy rate has declined in recent years, in Mississippi it increased.

In 2001, nearly 200 babies were born to girls under the age of 15.

In 2002, almost 55,000 Mississippi grandparents had primary responsibility for the care of their grandchildren, according to the Child Welfare League of America. In 2001, 22 out of every thousand children in the state were reported to be abused or neglected. There was a 41 percent increase between 1998 and 2002 in the number of children younger than 18 arrested in the state.

Black residents account for only 37 percent of the state's population, but for nearly three out of every four abortions.

A typical woman in Mississippi earns 74 cents for every dollar a man makes. A typical black woman in Mississippi earns 79 cents for every dollar a white woman makes.

Black children make up more than half of those in foster care and in the state adoption system, according to the Mississippi Department of Human Services.

According to the Institute for Women's Policy Research, Mississippi ranks 51st in the percentage of its citizens living above the poverty level. (The District of Columbia was included in the sample.) Mississippi has the highest number of women in prison of any state. Between 1995 and 2003 the percentage of women inmates grew by more than 13 percent.

The Institute for Women's Policy Research is a nonprofit, nonpartisan group supported by foundation and government grants. In its most recent assessment of the overall condition of American women, it named Mississippi the worst state in the country. It was also named the worst state for women in 1998, 2000 and 2002. It ranked 49th in terms of women in elected office, and at the bottom of the list for health and well-being, including the incidence of diabetes and deaths from cancer and heart disease.

The institute ranked Mississippi worst in the nation for reproductive rights.

Protesters have vowed to shut down the state's sole remaining abortion clinic, which is in Jackson.

Sometimes you don't even have to state an opinion.

You just have to state the facts.

[villain]

If the republicans are supposed to represent private power, and democrats are supposed to represent public power, such is not the case. For republicans in this day and age, representing private power means not protecting the individual citizens rights, but private corporations rights. The trend is so strong that it's corrupted public power, i.e. government regulation.

[seeking]

but duuuuuuddddddddeeeee, GUNS!

[KaBar2]

Seeking, you certainly have a right to your opinion, as misguided as it may be. When you say the majority of people do not share my opinion, you may be correct, but at least seventy million Americans support the right to keep and bear arms, because they own firearms.
In any case, bringing up machineguns is a red herring, because machineguns are not the issue. As a matter of fact, the issue is not even assault rifles, because the gun confiscation crowd might wish they could ban all assault rifles, in fact they could not and did not, even with their odious little law. The AWB only banned assault rifles manufactured overseas that contained three or more COSMETIC features off a list, including bayonet lug, pistol grip, flash suppressor, detachable box magazine and so forth. It wasn't very long after this law was passed that the AMERICAN MANUFACTURED assault weapons industry was born. So you can have an assault rifle with every single one of the banned COSMETIC features, so long as the receiver is manufactured in the United States, or your assault rifle contains less than 85% foreign parts (another stupid ass arbitrary number.) Everybody I know promptly went out and bought U.S. parts retro-fit kits, and retro-fitted all their assault rifles to make them legal. (Take that, Diane Feinstein, you WORTHLESS BITCH.)

None of these weapons is a machine gun. None of them is one whit more lethal than your grand-dad's .30-30. It's like saying you can't own a cool-looking car because it "makes" people want to street race. It's okay if lame-ass, nerdy cars are fast as shit, but they have to look slow. No spinners. No big-bore mufflers. No cool ass paint jobs, because it frightens the sorry-ass liberal cocksuckers like Charles Schumer, may he soon rot in Hell.

It may be true that none of the people YOU KNOW want Americans to be able to own a machine gun, but ALL the people I know are for it. The only thing that deters me from owning a machine gun is money. Thanks to the ridiculous BATFE regulations and the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968, only wealthy people can own machineguns, because the regulations have driven the market value of machineguns far out of the reach of the average person. The owner of the largest single collection of privately held machineguns in the U.S. is the Ford Motor Company, followed by USX, formerly U.S. Steel (probably has another name by now.) They own large collections in case of "labor unrest." Remember hearing about the Republic Steel Strike? (Rat-a-tat-tat, no union for you, Joe Sixpack.)

Never mind. Go back to sleep.

[bodice_ripper]

not a great response to criticism that highlighted you inability to look past your guns, was it?

guns are serious phallic symbols, aren't they? so this is what, castration terror?

ah, I love my life as a smarmy, young, gay liberal.

[angelofdeath]

yeah man, if i had an extra 12-15 grand sitting around and the time and money for a class III permit... aw man.

[villain]

Full auto is just about worthless anyways.... A waste of ammo unless you are sweeping a hoarde of encroaching zombies.... Hmm...

[seeking]

"When you say the majority of people do not share my opinion, you may be correct, but at least seventy million Americans support the right to keep and bear arms, because they own firearms.

In any case, bringing up machineguns is a red herring, because machineguns are not the issue."

how the fuck can you say machine guns, or assault weapons, aren't the issue, when they're listed in your fucking subject title?!?! NO ONE, republican or democrat has even HINTED at the idea of trying to outlaw hunting rifles, shotguns or handguns. it has not even been suggested. it will NEVER happen and everyone knows it. however, if it was going to happen, i've got a million dollars that says it's the republicans behind it, not the dems. one of the biggest supporters of gun control is the FOP, which is a largely republican organization. go ahead and explain that one why dont you. you keep talking about what the democrats want to do, citing some examples of left wing organizations (not even politicians) meanwhile right wing politicians are chipping away at our freedoms with a fucking sledgehammer and all you can do is bitch about figments of your fucking immagination.

"As a matter of fact, the issue is not even assault rifles, because the gun confiscation crowd might wish they could ban all assault rifles, in fact they could not and did not, even with their odious little law. The AWB only banned assault rifles manufactured overseas that contained three or more COSMETIC features off a list, including bayonet lug, pistol grip, flash suppressor, detachable box magazine and so forth. It wasn't very long after this law was passed that the AMERICAN MANUFACTURED assault weapons industry was born. So you can have an assault rifle with every single one of the banned COSMETIC features, so long as the receiver is manufactured in the United States, or your assault rifle contains less than 85% foreign parts (another stupid ass arbitrary number.) Everybody I know promptly went out and bought U.S. parts retro-fit kits, and retro-fitted all their assault rifles to make them legal. (Take that, Diane Feinstein, you WORTHLESS BITCH.)"

thanks for breaking down the law for us all (again). might i remind you (again) that i own a pre-ban arsenal slr-95?
if the AWB accomplished nothing and was just put into law to appease the public, then WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PROBLEM?! the public got their little piece of mind and gun owners got the joy of supporting american companies. i fail to see the issue. if you want to bitch about gun laws that actually impacted something, talk about your boy reagan. he's the only president to ever put an actual dent in 'gun rights'.


"Never mind. Go back to sleep."

i'm still waiting for you to explain exactly how i'm sleeping, but i know it will never happen. all you can do is recite your fucking pamphlets. you're a fucking joke. every time i post, i break down exactly why your views are unrealistic horseshit, every time you reply you rely on irrelivent facts and long winded diatribes that are supposed to bore me into not noticing the fact that it's all coming directly out of your ass.
in case you hadn't noticed, i'm not falling for it.

cheers.

[angelofdeath]

Originally posted by villain@Jan 28 2005, 08:44 AM
Full auto is just about worthless anyways.... A waste of ammo unless you are sweeping a hoarde of encroaching zombies.... Hmm...
Quoted post


they by golly what is the big damn deal? they should be legal. :king:

[seeking]

i wish raven would let me change peoples user names. i'd turn yours into 'angelofdumb'.

[<KEY3>]

I'd change yours back to 'Spanking Innocents'

[seeking]

i'd change yours to <keylo 7sto> and i'd make your member status to be 'not_seeking'

[<KEY3>]

hahaha....

can't touch 'not scorpion'

[KaBar2]

Seeking, I'm just overjoyed that you are one of the seventy million plus gun owners, and I always have been overjoyed by that fact. It shows at least some spark of intelligence in an otherwise relentlessly self-destructive attitude. I predict that before you turn thirty-five years old, you will be at least as conservative as I am now. You will have tired of the same old liberal clap-trap. Possibly, there will be some incident that sets off the alarm clock, but maybe not. Maybe it will just be the slow, demoralizing deterioration of the country. Eventually, you will get fed up, and then, after you have kids, you will start to get angry that the shitbirds of the world are making life pretty near impossible

You have no respect for the right wing? Good for you. I hope you like crow. It doesn't taste too bad once you get past the feathers.

I've stated on here more than once, that the Democrats problem is that they no longer have a conservative wing whatsoever. There is no Democratic alternative to the Republicans. The conservative Joe Sixpacks of the world are faced with a party led by people like Ted Kennedy. Hell, Teddy used to be the radical LEFT wing of the Democratic Party, now he's almost a centrist.

The Dems will continue to take a beating until they wise up. It takes more than running around in brand-new duck hunting camouflage toting a borrowed shotgun to convince people that one supports the Second Amendment. Kerry voted so far left he could have been a Communist for thirty years, and then all the sudden he tries to play "gun rights supporter?" It's embarrassing.

The Dems could win back both the White House and a majority in Congress (it wouldn't take that many votes) if they could GUARANTEE the more liberal of the gun owners that the Democrats really do understand that the Second Amendment is sacred, and not to be undermined or abrogated, and nickle-and-dimed to death.
The liberal (I use that term loosely) wing of the Republican Party-- the Log Cabin Republicans, the pro-choice Republicans (of which there are quite a few, actually), the environmentalist Republicans, are getting more steam these days. President Bush has now appointed two African-Americans to the cabinet post of Secretary of State. Iraq will soon vote in a free and fair election (of course, the voters will have to wade to the polls through a river of blood, but I feel confident that Iraq will embrace democracy, and the neo-cons will heave a sigh of relief that their long shot came in in the money.)

Presidents run from the extremes in America, but THEY GOVERN FROM THE CENTER.

I'm still pissed about Gonzales and his support of the expired assault weapons ban. And he's from TEXAS, too! Backstabbing son of a bitch! I hate it when Texans do shit like this.

[angelofdeath]

"Presidents run from the extremes in America, but THEY GOVERN FROM THE CENTER."

this statement couldnt be more true. that is why the 2 party monopoly we are in right now is sticking. sure they want to push thier own agenda, but at the end of the day, you still gotta hear bitching about this or that from both ends of the spectrum. am i happy to hear the moderate republican say " for the republican party to stay in power, we need to move more to the left?" no, but in essence its true. the more to the middle you are the more electibility you have. that being said, i dont like arnold being the son of an ss officer or something, i dont like the .50 cal ban in california, and i hope the handgun ban doesnt go through. otherwise we'l have another paradise of crime free life as there is in DC.

[seeking]

kabar, if i wake up at 35 and i think like you do, i'll do my children a favor and shoot myself in the face.

thanks for trying to enlighten me though. every post is a reminder of how not to think.

[dojafx]

^^^ with the slr95?

[villain]

What so civil rights is an extreme left bad thing? It's bad enough two Kennedys died because of this, but to still here people talk trash about the Kennedys is really disturbing.
So Kabar, I suppose when I turn 35 (I'm already old beyond my years) I will turn into a rustic, racist redneck rocking on my porch cradling a shotgun and jug of moonshine? I'm assuming this is your idea of republican if you think the Kennedys are extreme left wing democrats. Yes, they were in their time.... the fact that they are more centrist now is a GOOD thing.

[angelofdeath]

i think kabar's point about teddy kennedy being a centrist now, is not saying he shifted position, just that the democratic base shifted left of him, which is a major leap. the national democrats are no longer moderates, they are liberal, henceforth making kennedy look like a centrist compared to some of his more liberal colleagues. the moderates are mocked, the conservatives, (the very very very few) are held on a tight leash and only let out to play for the party to try to get away from the liberal label. which apparently still equates to political suicide in most of america.

[KaBar2]

Sorry if my point was not clear. What I intended to conve6y is that the Democratic Party has made a radical turn to the left. Teddy Kennedy was once a left-wing Democrat. He has remained more-or-less the same, but the DPUSA has been hijacked by people who were the radical New Left in the Sixties. The Clintons being a pretty good example.

By the way, NOBODY back then really considered Teddy Kennedy to be anywhere close to being the political hitters that Jack and Bobby were. Teddy was the lame-ass brother who could barely cut it. Once Jack was assassinated in 1963, then Bobby stepped up to run for president in 1968. When Bobby got whacked too, I guess Teddy got the message loud and clear, "Stay the fuck away from the White House."

In any case, The Democrats suffered the loss of their conservative wing, which the GOP greeted with open arms. Jack Kennedy was an anti-communist, and Bobby despised the Mafia. They weren't perfect human beings, but they played hardball, just like their opponents. Don't forget, JFK initially approved the Bay of Pigs invasion. I don't think any of the major players imagined that JFK would not support Brigada 2506 once it was actually engaged in combat on Cuban soil. I had an ex-brother-in-law who was in the Marines in 1961. He said they spent three days continuously flying around and around Cuba, re-fueling in the air and awaiting for the order to attack, which never came. Frustrated Navy fighter pilots buzzed the beach at tree top level trying to frighten the Cuban defenders. When Kennedy abandoned Brigada 2506, the whole nation was stunned, but the Miami Cubans were completely floored. They had sincerely believed that if their boys took the beach, that Kennedy would send in the Marines. Plenty of people opposed the invasion (it was an open secret) but even those that were opposed thought it would go ahead.

Jack Kennedy was not killed by some yahoo with a mail-order rifle. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was supposedly in response to the easy availability of guns, but the killers had nothing to do with mail-order guns. The precision marksmen that shot Kennedy were using state-of-the-art (in 1963) precision sniper rifles. All the GCA of '68 did was make it more difficult for the AVERAGE CITIZEN to obtain firearms. But it wasn't average citizens that killed JFK. It was professionals.

Bobby's death is harder to figure, because Sirhan Sirhan was a genuine nut case, but for a nut case, our boy Sirhan sure knew his way around.

Here's a perplexing bit of information--did you guys know that the FBI found copies of "Catcher in the Rye" in the apartment of Lee Harvey Oswald, and Sirhan Sirhan, AND Arthur Bremer, AND Mark What's-his-name that killed John Lennon, AND John Hinckley? It was a popular book, but the fact that every one of them had it makes my skin crawl.

[imported_dowmagik]

kabar, wheres the connection between intelligence and owning a firearm?

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yeah, it's too bad the left has moved over so far, while the right has maintained it's steadfast position.
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rhetoric is boooooooorrrrring.

[KaBar2]

Seeks---

I never said the right has remained static. In 1960, Barry Goldwater was considered a far-right-wing extremist. Today he would be not too far from the right-center. The politics of many of Goldwater's strong supporters (John Birch Society, etc.) are very tame by today's standards.

The so-called neo-Nazi right is growing. The philosophy of "leaderless resistance" has permeated throughout the entire spectrum of right-wing cells, groups and organizations. The old pyramid model with a commander and some sort of central leadership that controls regions and states is passe'. Today, the right wing is like a waterbed mattress. Step on one part, and all the water moves out from under one's foot and the mattress just accomodates you until you move your foot. Then the water moves right back again.

[KING BLING]

Originally posted by angelofdeath@Feb 1 2005, 05:58 AM
i think kabar's point about teddy kennedy being a centrist now, is not saying he shifted position, just that the democratic base shifted left of him, which is a major leap.
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The party began this shift in a way you and Kabars vagueness contradicts. The party today however is not at all as "liberal" as you and Fox news says it is. But we did make a shift huh? For one the party made a significant shift when the 35 - I had to look that up - Southern 'Dixie-crats' left the party in 1948 and placed Strom Thurman (who died a racist republican with a mixed unfathered kid) on the ballot as a "states rights" candidate, which was really a veil for opposing federal civil rights. They left because Democrats wanted to pass among other things anti-lynching and fair hiring laws on a federal level. You recognize the term "States Rights"? This is a term widely used by Republicans today (though I am not opposed to the idea absolutely nor do Democrats not utilize this as well), and has been in use by racists southern nostalgists since the civil war, regardless of party. You try to make Democrats sound out of touch with America, but you will never explain why you represent a party of state rights and personal freedoms but support people who work against these core beliefs. Democratic senators were elected by someone, and if you'd stop changing the districts around, isolating black voters in contested states, and hiring reporters to support you with my tax money, among so many oither things you might see an actual election based on real issues...

Here is an example of the States Rights Strom Thurmond who made the leap to your "side" represented:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/dixiecrat1.html

We can of course talk about many of the other hypocrits who represent the Republican party. But perhaps we should stick with more vague wishy washy subjects like Kabars friend flying a plane making him an expert on Cuba. Or maybe the conservative democrats who aren't allowd to speak so no one knows who they are...unless they appear at the Republican National Convention...

[angelofdeath]

Originally posted by KING BLING@Feb 9 2005, 06:31 AM
The party began this shift in a way you and Kabars vagueness contradicts.*** The party today however is not at all as "liberal" as you and Fox news says it is.*** But we did make a shift huh?*** For one the party made a significant shift when the 35 - I had to look that up - Southern 'Dixie-crats' left the party in 1948 and placed Strom Thurman (who died a racist republican with a mixed unfathered kid) on the ballot as a "states rights" candidate, which was really a veil for opposing federal civil rights.*** They left because Democrats wanted to pass among other things anti-lynching and fair hiring laws on a federal level. You recognize the term "States Rights"?*** This is a term widely used by Republicans today (though I am not opposed to the idea absolutely nor do Democrats not utilize this as well), and has been in use by racists southern nostalgists since the civil war, regardless of party.***


first off if your looking things up atleast get the south carolinian's name right... Thurmond. yes i know all about the dixiecrat aka states rights democrats that carried only 4 southern states in the election of 1948 that elected truman. atleast if you are trying to prove a point that the states rights democrats were racist, atleast talk shit on truman for delaying passing of civil rights legislation.

i think we are on the same page, but you are trying to be difficult here kingbling. this once again proves that when a liberal is labeled a liberal they try to shed the name immediately. to deny that the MODERN democratic party is not the party that harbors the most liberal views is ludacris. i mean cmon do you think the democratic party of 1950 would even harbor the idea of protection of gay marriage? it is obvious they take the liberal route. which is fine, but i dont believe in the ideology of liberalism so i dont really care.




You try to make Democrats sound out of touch with America, but you will never explain why you represent a party of state rights and personal freedoms but support people who work against these core beliefs.*** Democratic senators were elected by someone, and if you'd stop changing the districts around, isolating black voters in contested states, and hiring reporters to support you with my tax money, among so many oither things you might see an actual election based on real issues...

Here is an example of the States Rights Strom Thurmond who made the leap to your "side" represented:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/dixiecrat1.html

well lets talk about the "southern democrats" who never switched. i mean if you want to keep the party lines lets talk about how the republicans are the party of lincoln and the democrats was the party of the south aka confederacy. lets talk about how the great emancipator was to much of a puss to even have a constitutional amendment pushed to ban slavery until 1862. lets talk about lincolns answer of "deport them" when asked what to do with the freed blacks. lets talk about how the state of west virginia formed to be part of the union but forbid any black person to settle there. lets talk about the northern cities that banned free blacks from living there. of course we know that war was the brave moral northerners against the vial racist southerners right? why arent you talking shit on the northerners who let the south have jim crow? why arent you burning the american flag for harboring slavery for almost 80 years before the civil war and banishing the all the slave holding presidents from our history books who owned slaves? dont you realize politics are nothing but a big game and that there is way more to things than meets the eye?

your right democrats are elected. there is no doubt. all im saying is there will not be a liberal president. mcgovern or mondale ring a bell. liberal in many parts of the country still equates to political suicide. (im not talking about mass, ny, or california, im talking about the rest of america)i dont see it happening. if kerry was more to the center he would of won. notice how liberals when running for office constantly try to move center. repubs the same way. they ease up on shit like gun control and abortion, to get more votes. its all about getting elected. politics are nothing but compromise. just say the right thing to the right people and broaden your base and get elected. thats the game they play. get support from this interest group and get more votes and money, but "i have to be careful not to fuck them or i'll loose there support." i havent given up on the dems yet. there are a few conservative dems left, but of course you never hear from them. they throw them in the closet and only pull them out to try to shed the liberal label. you are shunned in the modern democratic party if you oppose gun control legislation, or support banning abortions.

i mean i could sit here and draft a whole book on the little i know about the dems and repubs from the anti bellum to now. but im sure you have already read "the dixie crat revolt, the end of the solid south" and "rise of southern republicans" among others right?