Beginning Bible for Graffiti Writers

[why write?]

For all you writers that have just started and need to ask questions and want some tips....here you go.

General Tips:
- always keep your mouth shut
- never tell people you dont trust that you write graffiti
- dont 'tag up' your backpacks/shoes/hats and other things people will see
- dont write on your school
- keep on a low profile
- avoid any contact with police

::::If police arrest you for painting:
- never say anything, dont say that you did it or did not do it...just keep your mouth shut
- tell them you will not speak until you have a lawyer present
- never rat out your buddies
- dont fall for their phony tricks "oh we will let you go if you just tell us who does it and blah blah blah", it is just a trick to mess with your head to get information out of you

Painting Tips:
- dont go straight out to the streets and make yourself look like a fool
- start by practicing at a chill wall that no one will see, if not a chill wall...get plywood or posterboard or cardboard and anything just to practice till you get it down
- dont go straight out and buy 20 cans of montana and waste your money on some toy shit, buy dollar cans just to start off


Tips on Sketching Pieces:
- at first stay simple ;
this means -simple letters, simple colors.
- master block letters and letters on your keyboard at first then progress from there

maybe i will add more later.

[wiseguy]

fucking good idea for a thread...
i shouldnt even have to say this, but:

- Don't go over people's shit. who the fuck wants to see wack shit over something worthwhile, also, just because it is "old" or whatever doesnt make it okay to go over. the "don't go over it" rule especially applies here.

[ClueTwo]

It's unfortunate these kids have to learn this here..Have they nobody to look up to? I guess some of us are more privaleged than anything when it comes to knowing people who have been in the game when we started..

[CACashRefund]

Dont shit where you sleep. Meaning, dont bomb your bedroom, or try out paint.

Try to keep the storing of your materials at your house to a minimum. Store em a non-writers house or your girlfriends place.

If you keep blackbooks throw em in with regular books. Also try not to hit up the outside of em to keep them from being exposed for what they are.

All i can think of right now.

[why write?]

Originally posted by ClueTwo@Jan 31 2005, 10:08 PM
It's unfortunate these kids have to learn this here..Have they nobody to look up to? I guess some of us are more privaleged than anything when it comes to knowing people who have been in the game when we started..
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personally, i agree but i hate seeing dumb threads started about simple things people should know, so im just trying to help out these new and upcoming writers, so they have some knowledge if they dont have a mentor

[ClueTwo]

More power to you for doing it...

[Pearlpaint]

I actually don't understand what is so "unfortunate". What a backwards way of thinking when looking at the "digital divide" amongst grafitti writers. Some of the old school have been progressing in propagating knowledge, flicks, interviews, etc... online plus access to the proper writing/ artist tools and supplies. when I was a kid, we didn't have the internet for all this. The newer kids will be smarter than us because they have more available to them and has already changed the graf scene.


Originally posted by ClueTwo@Jan 31 2005, 11:08 PM
It's unfortunate these kids have to learn this here..Have they nobody to look up to? I guess some of us are more privaleged than anything when it comes to knowing people who have been in the game when we started..
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[<KEY3>]

want a good tip?

Dont be a grafitti writer, just be a guy who writes his name on things.

It's better that way.

[why write?]

hah what a tip

[santa_claws]

you are shit until further notice

[kidsandgangsters]

^^^^
i dont know who you are calling shit... key 3 or why write... but personally, i dont think either are.
even if key3 was joking, i can see sense in what he says. if you walk around thinking "im a Graffitti writer, i know whats up" your bound to run into trouble sooner or later. keep it simple. dont make it into more than it is, no matter what it means or represents to YOU personally, essentially your just writing a name on something. it dosnt make you more special than anyone else. Im sure you could learn from this thread, so keep the "witty" coments schtum for now...

[00]

i think that was a reference to espo's rules of graff, so relax

[fight real crime]

dont tag ur school :shook:

[Pearlpaint]

haha, i like that...

Originally posted by <KEY3>@Feb 1 2005, 01:12 PM
want a good tip?

Dont be a grafitti writer, just be a guy who writes his name on things.

It's better that way.
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[Gunm]

1. Don't go up to people and ask "Dooood....don't you write (insert name here)?" I fucking hate that.

2. Don't bomb railroad property (signal switches, signs, utility boxes, signal towers) or shit near railyards for that matter. It just let's authorities know "Oh, graffiti writers come here."
You do the math.

3. Be like Clark Kent and keep it low pro with a secret identity. To look at some heads you would never think they got up with paint.

4. Do not brag on the internet about all the spots you crushed with accompanying flicks. Like it or not, cops come here and they WILL track you. KUK.....need I say more?

5. When you go out on a mission, dress inconspicuously. Your trucker hat with the KAWS throwie, baggie pants, ECHO shirt and camoflage DALEK jacket not only makes you look like a fucking herb, it makes you stick out. Plain dark clothing does it all. Reflective shit is a big no no too.

6. Always, always have a getaway route planned.

7. Keep your eyes and ears open.

[wiseguy]

" Don't go up to people and ask "Dooood....don't you write (insert name here)?" I fucking hate that."

to expand on that, dont call writers by their tags, yelling that shit out to them, it doesnt make you look cool.

when getting writers numbers in your cellphone, dont use their tag to identify them (i have seen this done before) you dont wanna get caught one day, police check your phone, then have a bunch of other guys go down with you because you were dumb.

[The Leader]

Originally posted by Pearlpaint+Feb 1 2005, 10:33 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pearlpaint - Feb 1 2005, 10:33 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>haha, i like that...

<!--QuoteBegin-<KEY3>@Feb 1 2005, 01:12 PM
want a good tip?

Dont be a grafitti writer, just be a guy who writes his name on things.

It's better that way.
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First time I heard this it changed my life. Seriously the greatest graffiti advice I have ever received.

[Mr. Chad]

does anyone have espos rules of graffiti???

[Harvey Wallbanger]

Study up. Read the articles on Artcrimes, The art of Getting Over, and William "upski" Wimsatt's Bomb The Suburbs. Watch Stylewars at least three times. Then, once you've made an actual effort to find things out on your own, find a local, accomplished writer, and without acting like a ridiculous thug or chump, ask him/ her to show you the ropes and teach you about techniques, local history, etc. But don't get pissed if they say no... you have to understand that you are a toy, and toys are basically intolerable. And for christ's sake, DO NOT GO OVER ANYONE, and DO NOT TRY TO PAINT FREIGHTS. You can thank me in a couple of years.

[GLIK$]

Smoke dust.
Buy rollerblades.

[why write?]

please gliko, no drug talk

[Pearlpaint]

Do not bomb other people's houses. It's sickening to see so many writers in my neighborhood hitting garage doors of people's houses. What a bunch of toys! There's just certain places graffiti should live and places where it shouldn't. People's houses, cars, etc... is just dumb!

[2 blaazed]

Quit Now

[vare_one]

DO NOT THINK ITS OK TO BITE this is one of the most common things i see now adays its INTOLERABLE AND NEVER allowed

[chumbawumba]

Wear Paul McCartney shirts, and Puma shoes. Oh yeah and Columbia jackets.

[TeezerPHM]

Originally posted by Glik0@Feb 5 2005, 06:30 AM
Smoke dust.
Buy rollerblades.
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lol an i just got some rollerblades coming my way

[icetray]

no offense but imo this thread is bullshit. there are already many articles out there if one wanted to they could just go search and easily find them. let the toys go study for themselves..

www.google.com

[chumbawumba]

Originally posted by vare_one@Feb 7 2005, 10:06 AM
DO NOT THINK ITS OK TO BITE this is one of the most common things i see now adays its INTOLERABLE AND NEVER allowed
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Note, children, he said don't think its ok to bite, which means it is perfectly alright to excecute the act of biting, just not to think it is alright.

[LaCosaNostra]

bigkey- were KUK the kids that were posting all their shit in the San Fran. thread and got traced?

[I_<3_SF]

Originally posted by LaCosaNostra@Feb 7 2005, 09:02 PM
bigkey- were KUK the kids that were posting all their shit in the San Fran. thread and got traced?
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im not key, but I can answer that question for you.

"yes"

and off I go.

[<KEY3>]

I missed that one.

and I am dead serious about the 'just be a guy who writes on things' comment.
The only people who try to be writers are kids in highschool and kids who lack art skills.


here's another tip based on some shit I saw this morning,
DO NOT write excuses, expecially on bombs.

I saw a really shitty drippy toss up and the guy wrote 'too drunk' next to it.
why are you trying to justify that the work is sub-par?
Will I say 'oh... that sucks, but he was drunk so I forgive him'.

that's the kind of person who cares to be a 'writer'.

[robJ]

I tend not to answer any question asked by kids on the subject of graffiti, but it does serve a valid point with todays writers being influence by the internet, and not being schooled by handed down knowledge.. Somebody should complie all this crap neatly,make it a sticky, and then lock it out..

[vare_one]

Originally posted by chumbawumba+Feb 8 2005, 04:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chumbawumba - Feb 8 2005, 04:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-vare_one@Feb 7 2005, 10:06 AM
DO NOT THINK ITS OK TO BITE this is one of the most common things i see now adays its INTOLERABLE AND NEVER allowed
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Note, children, he said don't think its ok to bite, which means it is perfectly alright to excecute the act of biting, just not to think it is alright.
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i re-correct my self shamelessly lol DONT FUCKIN BITE ITS A NASTY HABIT AND WONT GET U ANY FURTHER INTO UR OWN STYLE WHICH IS WHAT U NEED TO BE THINKING BOUT MORE OK SO NO BITING

[<KEY3>]

here's my take on biting:

when you are just starting out, bite everything you see.
wha? did he just say that?

yes... and no. 'BITE' every piece of graffiti you can find into
your sketch book. Learn what makes a piece work by recreating
it for yourself. Dont trace the work, dont tell anyone it's yours,
and DONT DARE paint what you've copied. Mess around in your book
for as long as it takes to make something that is a collection of everything you've learned.
Then, buy a new sketch book and ONLY draw what you can make up on your own.

Just like with the classic arts, you are expected to do what other people have already done.
Once you master the basics, then you can innovate and do something unique.
DONT for a second even think you can pass off Cubism as your own creation,
so why would you think you can pass off 1990-era wildstyles as something you created.

[Easy E]

someone asked for espo's rules?




Espo's Rules Of Graffiti

As published in The Art of Getting Over:



You suck until further notice

It's gonna take a long time before we even acknowledge your existence, even longer before we can bear to look at that foul scribble you call your name. To speed the process of acceptance, you can A) Choose a clever name that defies the norm of simple-minded slang. An example of a good name is "ARGUE" (RIP). It looks good when written, sounds cool when spoken, and conveys a combattive attitude. On the other hand, "ENEMA" (actual name) looks, sounds, and conveys a shitty attitude. BE CHOOSY. B ) Use paint, gain a thorough knowledge of supplies, remember that permission walls, stickers, and dust tags are small parts of a balanced diet, be bold, learn a style of writing for every occassion,and write your name bigger every time you go out.

Jealousy is a diesease for the weak

Your heart is your greatest possession, dont let it get taken from you.

Dont write on houses of worship, people's houses in general, other
writer's names, and tombstones. Writing on memorial walls and cars is beef beyond belief. Furthermore, involving civilians in your beef is grounds for dismissal. These are are the five fingers of your right hand. Get to know them well. Give soul claps, firm handshakes, and throw smooth bolo punches.

Although being a toy seems undesirable, you should enjoy it while you can. At this stage you can bite all you want with no remorse. All your elders will say is, " Awww isn't that cute, kootchie kootchie koo." So steal that dope connection, rob that color scheme. and loot whole letterforms. Dont worry about giving any credit, we'll pat ourselves on the back and brag how we're influencing the next generation. However, style isnt a crutch or a schtick. It is understanding why that connection you bit flows, or why that color scheme bumps. Style is the process to an appealing end. Once you got it down to a science, you can reinvent letterforms to suit yourself. This creative growth will amaze the old and young alike. Pretty soon somebody will steal your secret sauce and the cycle will be renewed. If this happens to you, don't bitch about not getting your due. Graffiti is the language of the ignored. If your style is stolen, someone heard you speaking. You got what you wanted from the beginning, some attention, you big baby.

It must be noted that the vandal squad loves graffiti. Their job requires
them to fiend for graff as much as you do. When you wreck enough walls, they'll want to meet you. Just like the ball huggers outside the graff shop, they'll recite every spot you hit, with the difference being you'll also hear the Miranda Warning. To postpone this, go solo as much as possible. Dont write with anyone that wont fight for you. Don't be paranoid, but be careful. If you avoid writing on pristine properties, you'll stay in misdemeanor territory, and you wont divert the cops' attention from pastry and caffiene consumption (consult local laws to be sure). Remember, if they didn't see you do it, it's almost impossible for them to win a conviction without your own damming testimony. Shut up, shut up, SHUT UP! Giving a cop info on another writer will doom you to a life of ridicule, from cops and kids alike, with no parole.

There's nothing wrong with knowing your the shit as long as you are. But once you reach that conclusion, your one foot over the edge of falling off. Watch your step fathead, there's no shortage of people chanting, "JUMP JUMP JUMP!" There are plenty of writers that have been painting well for the better part of 20 years, and your posing and fronting looks retarded next to them. Get back to work, you "never was" slouch. In conclusion, graffiti is free, impresses the girls, is heroic in our couch potato culture, will provide you with a million stories to tell at parties, and a sure cure for the inner-city blues. If it's not fun, you're doing it wrong or have been doing it too long. So get going, fame awaits the fly among you.

[dramaqueen.]

espo said it best...

[goonstock]

Originally posted by Glik0@Feb 4 2005, 10:30 PM
Smoke dust.
Buy rollerblades.
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JA?

[sneak]

"A good artist steals, a bad one copies."

i forget where i heard this, im afraid.

[Tremble]

stop asking if u can be in the best crew in ur town/city....get good and you'll be let in anyway....or by that time u could start ur own.

If ur painting a legal wall and u see something thats obviously better than u could ever do...and its only been up for a day or two...dont take it out, take out something thats either A) dogged B) 2 colour chrome or C)painted by another toy.

thankyou. :burn:

[chumbawumba]

Wear a Brooks Brothers blazer, and some Dockers stain defenders to match. Rock some all black Nike Shox, and carry your paint neatly in an atache'. Thats all you need right there.

[why write?]

well bump for this...

[master bait]

some of these are my personal thoughts... and I mostly write alone anyway so I can't tell what the real, true moses rules are... but anyway.

personally, where I'm from I feel like it's all good to have just about anybody and everybody paint something because it's damn boring. to me it's not a bussiness to whine about what's written on walls, so I don't complain if I see a crappy handstyle or someone getting up everywhere with shitty effortless graffiti. Even though this open mindness is a common opinion around here, most people won't take you seriously if you get up all city with your first overnight tag. It's just nonsense, but no one cares really.
if you ask a person "what you write", dont be surprized if you hear a distant cricket sound. In order to breathe and live, you don't need that information. You'll know better when your non-writer little brother asks the same question. Even if you trust him and if he manages to keep his mouth shut, you no longer control the information. all your little brother can do with the knowledge is keep it secret or pass it on. So don't ask that shit. there may be exceptions to this rule but I cant think of any.
Also make sure it's the police, not you who thinks graffiti is a big deal. Graffiti is paint where you want it, and most of the time you shouldn't worry about what you are or what to call it. wether it's graff, writin' vandalism, art or wtf, I think it should be all the same to you. You're not a rock star, nor an artist just cause you paint stuff. you might be one already, but that has nothing to do with you and your aerosol cans. this is actually good to know when you're painting, because it just breaks your concentration if you're role-playing all the time. stay focused and be yourself

[GEEB]

Dont Spray for NO ONE! no one alive that is, theres been a few times
were some norte or serrenio asked me to bomb a wall repping thier set for money. its a good way to get found out if that person starts bragging "oh this guy did it for me" its also a good way to get your ass
wooped or killed if a rival gang finds out it was you. dont do it for your friend, your girlfriend or anyone. i see some writers on tv and they get paid to do it for some rap company in a music video, the way i see it
they are sell outs no matter how good they are.

[GnomeToys]

?

[GEEB]

....Sorry i over explained what i was meaning to say.

[caffeine]

If you need space to do your piece, at least buff the whole piece thats already there- ESPECIALLY if its way better than your piece will ever be. And of course, this is only possible if they piece got already dissed on, and has been in that state for a few months or so (So that the writer who did it would know so prior to you painting over it). If you just straight up paint over someones piece, and its still possible to tell whose piece that is after youre done, then thats definately disrepectful. Oh, and sidebusting your tags on somebody elses piece is NOT cool. Listen and future beatdowns will be prevented. Its all about repect.

[Cradlespeaks]

actually, buy a locker at a gym, or get a p.o box and store ur materials there....and get ur own locker of key...

wear fitted clothes, u don't want to trip over yourself.

[caffeine]

Honestly does it really matter where you store your paint and markers? I can understand sketchbooks and all, but what does it matter if cops find your supplies at home? Owning that stuff isnt illegal right? I guess the only reason youd have a marker in hiding is if its very distictive. For example you got a homemade bright orange paint mop with gold glitter in it or some shit, and you got tags running all around your neighborhood with that marker. I mean even in that case it would be hard for the cops to charge you with it unless you actully confessed to doing all those tags.
Theres a difference to being smart about writing, and being straight paranoid.

[master bait]

yeah but sometimes that difference is hard to see.
and I'm not saying I work this way, but you just hear about people who have arranged their lives. you know... no paint in the house, no sketches no nothing. no fingerprints on cans, hiding away the shoes etc. but then again you would have to get up pretty damn much or this really would be straight paranoia. also you still really can't say if they're over-doing it or not because those guys never get caught unless in-action. If they did, I would probably freak out myself because they were "making sure" about every detail... even if they do get caught the police shouldnt find anything, just use common sense on your behalf, it doesnt hurt if you have a secret loose brick above the fireplace to keep the flicks at...

I have my items all over my apartment and I dont paint the spots that would bring me heat so I guess it doesnt matter... but keep in mind that if you have a large stash of markers, spray cans and other equipment stored NEXT TO the sketches and handstyles and the cops happen to search your house for fun, they most likely will take all your stuff. even if you never did anything illegal. I wouldn't be surprized if they took the fucking oil paint and rollers, house paint and all but watercolors and pencils... anything that stains and they think you MIGHT use illegally.


this is a good quote:
"If you need space to do your piece, at least buff the whole piece thats already there- ESPECIALLY if its way better than your piece will ever be. And of course, this is only possible if they piece got already dissed on, and has been in that state for a few months or so (So that the writer who did it would know so prior to you painting over it). If you just straight up paint over someones piece, and its still possible to tell whose piece that is after youre done, then thats definately disrepectful. Oh, and sidebusting your tags on somebody elses piece is NOT cool. Listen and future beatdowns will be prevented. Its all about respect."

When you go over a piece, its always polite to go all over it so that there are NO TAGS or nothing left half-covered. if you can read it: entity#1 has gone over entity#2, that's usually considered a diss. I havent seen a polite beginner that would know this, but would definately be impressed and happy if I saw one... sort of

[Suicide Bomber]

Man... i wish i wasnt an idiot... but i meen i had no one to look up to or nuttin just started in my books for like a year cause i thought it was fun then i started tagging... which i know i know before it is said 50 fucking times was stuipid and i know im just some shitty ass toy... also why do all these people say "Fuck this thread has bin done a million times god" well every thread has bin done a million times and if we couldnt redo ones that have then i dont think any forum would survive very long....

[why write?]

because just search for a thread if you need to find one....and also people dont feel like responding the same things over and over each week when there is a thread about the same exact thing, just research a little

[LoneronerKFA]

YOOOO BIG UPS to this thread, im a beginning writer and im in boston, where kids would rather spit in your face then give a new writer vital info....

[cuete]

my homeboy from my neighborhood
kicked my down game like this he said,

"step 1. buy or steal pilot.
step 2. watch cope2 video, while smoken a blunt.
step 3. go for a walk.

repeat steps 1-3, if nessesary." :king:

[trackstand]

Don't follow what you hear on a graffiti message board because 90% of the people here are idiots. See the post above me for proof.

[raezker1er]

[quote=why write?,Jan 31 2005, 08:37 PM]
For all you writers that have just started and need to ask questions and want some tips....here you go.

General Tips:
- always keep your mouth shut
- never tell people you dont trust that you write graffiti
- dont 'tag up' your backpacks/shoes/hats and other things people will see
- dont write on your school
- keep on a low profile
- avoid any contact with police

::::If police arrest you for painting:
- never say anything, dont say that you did it or did not do it...just keep your mouth shut
- tell them you will not speak until you have a lawyer present
- never rat out your buddies
- dont fall for their phony tricks "oh we will let you go if you just tell us who does it and blah blah blah", it is just a trick to mess with your head to get information out of you

Painting Tips:
- dont go straight out to the streets and make yourself look like a fool
- start by practicing at a chill wall that no one will see, if not a chill wall...get plywood or posterboard or cardboard and anything just to practice till you get it down
- dont go straight out and buy 20 cans of montana and waste your money on some toy shit, buy dollar cans just to start off


Tips on Sketching Pieces:
- at first stay simple ;
this means -simple letters, simple colors.
- master block letters and letters on your keyboard at first then progress from there




Big ups 4 dis tips here... but what should u do if ur up allnight n just have graphing on ur mind... go out n bomb at 3 in the morning stay home n practice or what... n also whats the best time 2 go bombing...oh yeah my bad 1 more thing if u go bombing, how should u go... with some of ur catz or by urself or what man?...hit me up yeah...THANKS :huh2: :huh2: :huh2:

[caffeine]

Originally posted by raezker1er@Mar 22 2005, 01:26 AM
Big ups 4 dis tips here... but what should u do if ur up allnight n just have graphing on ur mind... go out n bomb at 3 in the morning stay home n practice or what... n also whats the best time 2 go bombing...oh yeah my bad 1 more thing if u go bombing, how should u go... with some of ur catz or by urself or what man?...hit me up yeah...THANKS :huh2: :huh2: :huh2:
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I sure hope youre kidding.

[droptheknife]

I keep my house clean of any evidence that could be used to build a case against me. You never know when your going to be busted so keep your self on top by not tagging your room, school/college folders or leaving sketches, paint or flicks lying about. It may sound over the top but fuck it.

[LivingDeadLetter]

gloves are always a good idea. if you get rolled on at a spot and you happen to ditch your cans/bag somwhere its not going to do you any good with paint all over your hands. ..also if you carry your cans in shopping bag if you do have to ditch them you dont lose your good bag. if you have no cans and no paint on your hands its harder to connect you to the graffiti. what youre wearing also could fuck up a quick getaway. its not easy to hop fences or run on gravel with a pair of timberlands, a 4X shirt and a triple fat goose. keep it simple.. become a ghost

[raezker1er]

[/quote]
I sure hope youre kidding.


Man whats the big deal man...what do u expect im a begginer, just need a little 411 on the game, shit if u know fucken tell me already

[stilltippin]

info like such can changes a guys life. thank you

[Cradlespeaks]

anyone see cope's converse shoe in the eastbay book

[Cradlespeaks]

has nothing to do with this subject, but i guess when ur 'famous' u do what u want.

[Cradlespeaks]

new stuff u should know for starting out in a blackbook and practice...
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keep two books...one for practice...that the basic sketch spiral book...
now in this book, u should use pencil more and have little notes on the back of the piece to say what needs to be done...

ex...the pic is crooked, on the back u should have a small note stating what needs to be fixed, or if u post it online...write the comments on the back to remember and read back for them..

u can color in it, but its suggested that u use the cheap shit in this book...simply go to walmart and buy urself some crayola..it's good to know an practice ur coloring....but practice more on ur letters and art mor than the color...color is simply to boost the good comments..not to mention they hide flaws...

do not waste the paper by putting something small on it...
use the whole damn page hence the word practice..use the whole page...that's what its for...use the whole page...it only inhances ur skill.
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the other is a hardcover ( ur choice) this book has in the hardcore nice shit...doesn't matter...it's the better book with advanced coloring,shading and all fancy looking shit...

basically this book should be collecting dust until u can burn and spray a can...otherwords the book stays on the shelf next to ur KY jelly..



i'm a toy..and i know this...common sense on the book.

i'ma post this somewhere else.

[8onus]

if you are 15-18....just go do what ever the fuck you want: write, drink, skate, fight, write, drugs, write, fight, fuck, fuck,write, drink...
you'll thank me when you're steadily employed.

just dont be a chump, listen to what elders have to say and don't blow spots, especialy if you were given permission to write there. if you find a spot that has shit up, find an open space, put up you're best work and come back a week or two later, if you see new shit up, and your peice isn't dissed, that kinda means either "welcome" or "wew dont give fuck, g'head".

if a senior writer wants to have words with you, just listen to him, noone likes to be told, dont be a bitch, and if it comes to fists hold it down best you can...but listen to the asshole and keep your mouth shut, even if you think he's a doushe he has been in it longer and can teach you shit, humilty can be a beautiful thing.

heads up!
you ARE going to meet the po, sooner or later, there is plenty of legal advise already so i will say nothing on it except this: do not be so blind and dumb as to think you can get ups and never meet the cops, you will and you deserve to , its part of the game, and don't go feelin like a victim when it happens if you think its not fair...remember the thousands of dollars of damage you did, yep, welcome to the streets.

roll solo as much as possible. it toughens you up.

get nextel, i have heard numerous chase stories where nextel saved crews from getting busted.

beep beep *1

[SWX1994]

steel wheels tips for people considering this culture:

1) if you dont already write, dont start.
2) if you are a sensitive person who dosent like criticism, dont start writing.

if you have just started writing:
dont look at this message board or any other website magazine or general graffiti media to learn or get tips. this is a contact sport. graffiti is best when viewed in real time. learn from looking at real graffiti, and by looking at the shit that real writers do...and dont do.

practice if for the birds....dont bother practicing in "chill spots"
just think, what the fuck did people do before there were "chill spots" ? they practiced real spots. graffiti is supposed to be gritty. if all the graffiti in public view was real fresh it would be pretty boring. and besids all the older experienced writers would have nothing to laugh at.

you cant gain the experience of illegal graffiti by painting at chill spots - it dosent make sense.

be safe and smart - this is common sense - requires no explaination.

even if you learn to paint decent in 6 months, you are not a real established writer until you have reached at least the 5 year mark...and i mean 5 years of bombing, not 5 years of practicing at your chill spot or blackbook.

this culture is based on legacy - even if you think your better, the guy who has been around twice as long will probably get more respect, even if you can command a thin cap and make a clean line.


thats all for now.

[caffeine]

Originally posted by SWX1994@Apr 7 2005, 11:34 PM
steel wheels tips for people considering this culture:

1) if you dont already write, dont start.
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[SleepAnDream]

Originally posted by 0@Feb 1 2005, 06:36 PM
i think that was a reference to espo's rules of graff, so relax
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[wAndEreR]

http://photos.fotango.com/p/eba00512817f00000007.jpg

[beelkaemoney]

all this talk and you forgot the cardinal rules

throw ups over tags:
peices over throw ups:
better peices over peices:
dont rag somethin with a bullshit tag:
dont buff someones shit unless you gonna burn the wall better than them...<--you get fucked up for that where im from...

best advice ever

STAY OFF THE INTERNET WITH YOUR SHIT..dont be a self-promo homo.. :hatred: youll get knocked by squaley(this is the police..for all my non DIPSET peoples)!!! evry now and then is cool but dont be a fuckin herb..

peash peash motherfuckers :D

[why write?]

have to bump this shit up, toys need to learn!

[dcstylez149]

some advice is good to listen to but the best adivce comes from yourself be safe and incognito. And dont rush as a toy just practice. the # on thing i hate is when a toy says how did u do that? a experienced writer will say with my hands so dont ask stupid questions just practice......

[insane30]

"im not a graffiti writer mr.officer,
im a street artist"
ull thank me later...my 2 cents

[dcstylez149]

insane 30 umm i would just say i dont write graffiti. im an abstract muralist....

[CACashRefund]

Originally posted by insane30@Apr 24 2005, 05:04 PM
"im not a graffiti writer mr.officer,
im a street artist"
ull thank me later...my 2 cents
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Thats about the dumbest thing ive ever heard, cops dont care whether you think its art or not. If youre trying to play it off like "hey im doing a mural" first thing hes going to ask is some kind of documentation that you have permission to do this.

[packmule]

TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS
IF YOU GOT A BAD FEELING CHECK YOUR SPOT. CHECK FOR CAMERAS IN ALLEYS. THESE COPS THINK THEY CAN CATCH US BY PUTTING UP CAMERAS THEY THINKING WRONG.
WERE QUICK
WERE SMOOTH
DONT WRITE YOUR NAME AROUND YOUR HOUSE.
STORE YOUR STASH SOMEWHERE GOOD. UNDER YOUR FLOORBOARDS OR IN SAFES. EVEN OLD TREEHOUSES. IF YOU GET CAUGHT
DENY EVERYTHING THEY SAY. MAKE UP SHIT, AND DONT LET THE COPS GET TO YOU. REMEMBER YOU ARE NOT A VANDAL. YOU ARE A ARTIST. NOT THAT COPS GIVE A SHIT, BUT STAY LOW, DONT LET YOUR CLASS KNOW YOU GRAFF, AND DONT PUT YOUR TAG IN YOUR EMAIL ADRESS/MSN NAME!!!!!!

[frooTLoop]

Thanks for the info i could realy use it. I am a new painter :gaga: so thanks

[faze 1]

Originally posted by frooTLoop@Apr 30 2005, 11:29 AM
Thanks for the info i could realy use it. I am a new painter :gaga: so thanks
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keep readin this shit
it gets easier :king:

[SHADER ONE PARIS]

Here's my advice: have fun, don't take writing too seriously...too many guys start out having fun with it, and then end up feeling forced to keep going even thought they no longe really take any pleasure doing it.

[Maca1]

some petty dope ass advices....

[HaIsTe]

Originally posted by dcstylez149@Apr 25 2005, 09:34 PM
insane 30 umm i would just say i dont write graffiti. im an abstract muralist....
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hahhahaha lovin this :haha:

[Easy E]

Originally posted by SHADER ONE PARIS@May 12 2005, 03:45 PM
Here's my advice: have fun, don't take writing too seriously...too many guys start out having fun with it, and then end up feeling forced to keep going even thought they no longe really take any pleasure doing it.
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best advice in this thread



if it aint fun your doing something wrong, or shouldnt be writing anymore

[!@#$%]

bump for the new kids.

[jjrythem]

i've been scetching in a notebook for a few days and ill keep practicing n all but i was curious what type of markers are pens are anything your using to make the outlines it could be what i was making was small but my markers make thick lines.... also what do you use to color the scetches in..

[VoltControl]

Most of these "rules" apply if you live in a big city with bad ass robocops or wherever, but if you live in a shitty, uncultured little town like me - I swear there's only one other stenciler and I think he's moved on now - I feel lucky to live in such a slack place. The whole town is a massive chill spot.



Don't let the bastards grind you down. If it's in your heart keep it that way.

Listen to this guy:

Think from outside the box.

• Collapse the box and take a fucking sharp knife to it.

• Leave the house before you find something worth staying in for.

• Spray the paint sparingly onto the stencil from a distance of 8 inches.

• Be aware that going on a major mission totally drunk out of your head will result in some truly spectacular artwork and at least one night in the cells.

• When explaining yourself to the Police its worth being as reasonable as possible. Graffiti writers are not real villains. I am always reminded of this by real villains who consider the idea of breaking in someplace, not stealing anything and then leaving behind a painting of your name in four foot high letters the most retarded thing they ever heard of.

• Remember crime against property is not real crime. People look at an oil painting and admire the use of brushstrokes to convey meaning. People look at a graffiti painting and admire the use of a drainpipe to gain access.

• The time of getting fame for your name on its own is over. Artwork that is only about wanting to be famous will never make you famous. Any fame is a by-product of making something that means something. You don't go to a restaurant and order a meal because you want to have a shit.

[ionone]

Lol i read this thread too late, about 2 years late.My homies got me into graff and the first thing they did was send me to artcrimes and my stupid ass was like dayum, ima be peicing wildstyle in about a week! so 2 years later i basically start from square one and do bombs only for a few months. Really makes u reflect on things.

Best advice for the beginner, Stay simple, stay clean, stay up.

[doublebase]

dont go tagging with other writers that you dont want your shit bein associated with. for example: if they areyour friend thats cool but if you dont like their tag dont let them put it up with yoursall thetime.

also dont go on a tag walk with someone who doesnt tag no matter how cool they are you never know which faggot is gonna belike" dude let me see your marker" and then write poop on a dumpster if they arennt serious about writing dontlet them writebecause they think it will be cool

[NUK_IF_YOU_BUK]

if you get seen by a security guard, run! all they are gonna do is chase you off the property so save them the frustration of catching you and filling out the paperwork. :snowman:

[why write?]

ALSO, CHECK THIS THREAD..FOR PAINTING.

http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64067

[Maca1]

Originally posted by ionone@May 27 2005, 06:27 AM
Best advice for the beginner, Stay simple, stay clean, stay up.
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i like his 1

[remors atd]

this thread will help alot of noobs,but i think its too indepth.i think if some kid just follows simple guidelines,uses common sense these threads wont be needed.me personaly i dont hide my books,paint,flicks,ect under floorboards,like im 007 or something.i just keep the shit on a shelve in books and photoalbums. because i have flicks, sketches ect from all kinds of homies.if my house gets raided i just say i document the art because i love the art form.its good to keep a low profile,but dont be paranoid.

peace remors

[Phase_one]

dont be/act like a dumbass.
Learn how to do it before you get up like a toy.
Get a peice book, fill it up

[Phase_one]

dont be/act like a dumbass.
Learn how to do it before you get up like a toy.
Get a peice book, fill it up
Use gloves and a mask for big peices.

Stop hatin and start participatin`.

[droptheknife]

Originally posted by remors atd@May 31 2005, 02:52 AM
if my house gets raided i just say i document the art because i love the art form.
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yeah nice one.

:haha:

[Suicide Bomber]

Id have to say some of you guys are taking this to seriuosly. Like when the fuck are the police gonna raid your house looking for evidence for graffiti, like that kinda shit would never happen where im from. even tho im still pretty much a toy and have only bin writing for like a year best advice i can give is (if u have a curfew in ur city) stick to the alleys and if u have a runnin with the piggys play it smooth keap ur hands clean and dont run till he gets out of his car.

[PINK DOT]

good advice, when you see someone who is obviously better than yourself, over something of yours, let it be. just becouse you got dissed dosnt mean the end of you life has occured. just keep your head on straight dont paint trains/street spots. stay on the tracks. write with respect and when its deserved, respect will be shown in your direction.

[Phase_one]

true PINK DOT, true. You gotta earn respect.

[NUK_IF_YOU_BUK]

DONT SNITCH MOTHERFUCKERS

[Mr. Chad]

Originally posted by ionone@May 27 2005, 05:27 AM
Lol i read this thread too late, about 2 years late.My homies got me into graff and the first thing they did was send me to artcrimes and my stupid ass was like dayum, ima be peicing wildstyle in about a week! so 2 years later i basically start from square one and do bombs only for a few months. Really makes u reflect on things.

Best advice for the beginner, Stay simple, stay clean, stay up.
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ha same shit happened to me except it wasnt two years later.

[HEISTone]

get good before u get up!

dont think ure better than u r, ur a shitty assed toy untill informed otherwise. :yuck:

[MissTense.]

Wow, this is a really indepth thread...tons of great advice, and I definetly need it. I've been practicing on my dad's garage door (on the inside with permission) but I want to meet an actual writer...there are only a handful in my neighborhood and I ws wondering if anyone has any advice on approaching them and not sounding like an idiot? Oh, and there's the matter of figuring out who they are too... :shy:

Thanks in advance.

[Girl.]

Originally posted by MissTense.@Jul 14 2005, 03:53 PM
Wow, this is a really indepth thread...tons of great advice, and I definetly need it. I've been practicing on my dad's garage door (on the inside with permission) but I want to meet an actual writer...there are only a handful in my neighborhood and I ws wondering if anyone has any advice on approaching them and not sounding like an idiot? Oh, and there's the matter of figuring out who they are too... :shy:

Thanks in advance.
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Yeah, me too. I really need a real live mentor to talk to.

[iloveboxcars]

the last 2 posters have to show their tits.

its part of the unwritten rules of 12oz, you better ask somebody.

[Girl.]

Originally posted by iloveboxcars@Jul 14 2005, 08:46 PM
the last 2 posters have to show their tits.

its part of the unwritten rules of 12oz, you better ask somebody.
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yeah....no.

[NeRVe54]

pssssh... boxcars aint playin. either tits or its tits for you... nah seriously, show a writer your tits tell em you like graff, want help and for the right price...theres more where that came from... peace

[Girl.]

Ok fine. But how do I find a writer in my neighborhood? I know this probably sounds like a stupid question, but there arn't many around where I live and I have no idea who they are.

[Girl.]

Ok fine. But how do I find a writer in my neighborhood? I know this probably sounds like a stupid question, but there arn't many around where I live and I have no idea who they are.

[commonanomaly]

Originally posted by Girl.@Jul 15 2005, 05:26 PM
Ok fine. But how do I find a writer in my neighborhood? I know this probably sounds like a stupid question, but there arn't many around where I live and I have no idea who they are.
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Girl

keep your shirt on for one thing.

for another thing:
you will meet another writer when its time.. once you drive over some train bridges in your city and find the cool spots and chill yards you will just run into somebody... ps: don't paint in another crew's yard though esp if you are in a big city or if you are whack and esp if you are a girl.. thats LOOKIN FOR TROUBLE.... if your under 18...JUST STOP NOW...and don't go out without a weapon GIRLS in the yard are bad news unless you know what you are doing... play it safe.. sketch first and find a chill spot of your own to paint on until you get good...and/or old enough and don't let some loser boy graffiti writer "take you under his wing" he just wants to satisfy the two year desire to get laid..... you'll end up as a groupie in no time...

graff needs more gurls so don't get stareted down the wrong path in graff...
oh your best advice: don't take tips from people on the net... just trial and error, your own judgment, and SAFETY FUCKING FIRST even if yourbeing extreme.... better to be safe than sorry....
just get up..and be careful doing it. and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRATICE.. see lettering everywhere look at all advertising study typography study design.. dream eat and sleep good letters and sketch a fuckin lot... . you will eventually meet somebody... but be careful who you admit to that you write at all.

be a ninja AND be confident

[Girl.]

Originally posted by commonanomaly+Jul 15 2005, 04:20 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (commonanomaly - Jul 15 2005, 04:20 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Girl.@Jul 15 2005, 05:26 PM
Ok fine. But how do I find a writer in my neighborhood? I know this probably sounds like a stupid question, but there arn't many around where I live and I have no idea who they are.
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Girl

keep your shirt on for one thing.

for another thing:
you will meet another writer when its time.. once you drive over some train bridges in your city and find the cool spots and chill yards you will just run into somebody... ps: don't paint in another crew's yard though esp if you are in a big city or if you are whack and esp if you are a girl.. thats LOOKIN FOR TROUBLE.... if your under 18...JUST STOP NOW...and don't go out without a weapon GIRLS in the yard are bad news unless you know what you are doing... play it safe.. sketch first and find a chill spot of your own to paint on until you get good...and/or old enough and don't let some loser boy graffiti writer "take you under his wing" he just wants to satisfy the two year desire to get laid..... you'll end up as a groupie in no time...

graff needs more gurls so don't get stareted down the wrong path in graff...
oh your best advice: don't take tips from people on the net... just trial and error, your own judgment, and SAFETY FUCKING FIRST even if yourbeing extreme.... better to be safe than sorry....
just get up..and be careful doing it. and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRATICE.. see lettering everywhere look at all advertising study typography study design.. dream eat and sleep good letters and sketch a fuckin lot... . you will eventually meet somebody... but be careful who you admit to that you write at all.

be a ninja AND be confident
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[/b][/quote]

Thank you, that's the best advice I've heard from anyone since I started getting into graffiti. And yeah, I didn't really think showing anyone my chest was going to help me much haha

[gren1 bnc]

Originally posted by <KEY3>@Feb 1 2005, 06:12 PM
want a good tip?

Dont be a grafitti writer, just be a guy who writes his name on things.

It's better that way.
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word.

[TSAC]

[quote=Girl.,Jul 15 2005, 05:26 PM]Ok fine. But how do I find a writer in my neighborhood? I know this probably sounds like a stupid question, but there arn't many around where I live and I have no idea who they are.
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Girl

keep your shirt on for one thing.

for another thing:
you will meet another writer when its time.. once you drive over some train bridges in your city and find the cool spots and chill yards you will just run into somebody... ps: don't paint in another crew's yard though esp if you are in a big city or if you are whack and esp if you are a girl.. thats LOOKIN FOR TROUBLE.... if your under 18...JUST STOP NOW...and don't go out without a weapon GIRLS in the yard are bad news unless you know what you are doing... play it safe.. sketch first and find a chill spot of your own to paint on until you get good...and/or old enough and don't let some loser boy graffiti writer "take you under his wing" he just wants to satisfy the two year desire to get laid..... you'll end up as a groupie in no time...

graff needs more gurls so don't get stareted down the wrong path in graff...
oh your best advice: don't take tips from people on the net... just trial and error, your own judgment, and SAFETY FUCKING FIRST even if yourbeing extreme.... better to be safe than sorry....
just get up..and be careful doing it. and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRATICE.. see lettering everywhere look at all advertising study typography study design.. dream eat and sleep good letters and sketch a fuckin lot... . you will eventually meet somebody... but be careful who you admit to that you write at all.

be a ninja AND be confident
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[/quo


yeha that is some good advic.
study all tipes of letters,deign and draw hella you will be set.
dont tell people that you write,unless you are 100% confident that they will be cool about it
seriousley take it from me i told this one kid what i wrote it was the biggest mistake in my life.

[wreck shit up]

but no matter who gives you shit no matter who they are if you love writin keep doin it you might have to change your name a few times but dont let faggots who fuck with people just beacuse your not as good/ up get to you, just say "fuck em" and keep writin and most likely they drop out cause there pussies to begin with so for all you up and commers stick with it. and most of all when your startin out remeber you are a toy and if people call you that just be like fuck em and when you startin learnin your shit n payin your dues its all good

[static]

tight

[NeRVe54]

you should still show em your boobs

[Fox Mulder]

Originally posted by wiseguy@Feb 2 2005, 03:19 AM
" Don't go up to people and ask "Dooood....don't you write (insert name here)?" I fucking hate that."

to expand on that, dont call writers by their tags, yelling that shit out to them, it doesnt make you look cool.

when getting writers numbers in your cellphone, dont use their tag to identify them (i have seen this done before) you dont wanna get caught one day, police check your phone, then have a bunch of other guys go down with you because you were dumb.
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i've seen someone get popped this way.

[why write?]

glad this is stickied, hope more people gain knowledge off atleast the first page of this thread....

[jamal13]

-dont go anyones art, this means graf scultpture pianting murals....

[shai]

think before acting, in all matters. if you don't know, ask. bombing alone is safer, if you watch your back. drink a little, draw more, avoid anything other than anonymous fame- this includes parties and hip hop events- once two people know who you are, start over and admit nothing. the cops are not your friends. use whatever you have to its fullest potential. etch is a good way to make fast enemies. you are clark kent, your word is superman...never let the two meet. stay humble, but keep your pride. if they didn't see you, say nothing other than, "prove it", as you walk away. don't look back. stick it to the man, but never fuck your friends. anything you learn or can do when high is lost when you're sober. don't take anyone along who doesn't write. don't ask bums to look out for you, if you have to run, ditch the evidence, then forget about it. if it feels hot, it is. legals don't count. never take more than you need- this applies to racking and painting. avoid firetrucks, cabs, and anything with a lightbar on the roof. lightbar=radio=the man. for that matter, when on a mission, avoid everyone, even if you know them. asume everyone has a cell phone and nothing better to do than jam you up. snitches get stitches, shit talkers get walkers. photographs are evidence, so are blackbooks- hide them well. pens don't mean shit, though- you're an artist. luck is the intersection of timing and preparedness, so be ready for anything, anytime. take it easy. hit me up. dress square. bombing drunk is fun but ugly and risky. have a well rounded life outside of graff. if you can tell your family the truth about your hobby, do so. if you can't, don't get caught. go out well rested. if you use cans, use a mask. and gloves. have more than one escape route. have fun- and, if it's not fun, stop. it's not a job. if you see me, let me ride. respect given is respect due. don't shit where you sleep. what goes around, comes around. stay away from churches, schools, cars, houses, and small businesses. destroy everything else, especially if you paid for it- it's yours. blowhards blow hard. pay attention- you might miss something. take care of yourself and those important to you, and everything will be taken care of. bite only as much as neccessary, and give credit where credit is due. if you battle, fight fair and plan to win. squash beef whenever possible. carry a toothbrush. trust all of your instincts, and half of what you hear. don't believe everything you read, including this.

[_nightcrawler]

never paint up ur school.... GOOD TIP!
and never over bomb ur neighbourhood...ppl will soon figure out where u live or wateva.
When gettin chased...ditch your paint in drains

[CACashRefund]

Originally posted by _nightcrawler+Sep 1 2005, 06:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (_nightcrawler - Sep 1 2005, 06:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>never paint up ur school.... GOOD TIP!Quoted post
[/b]

Agreed, if youre still in school, just dont do it. I know it might seem like easy "ups" but just dont do it. Its just a waste of ink/paint.

Originally posted by _nightcrawler@Sep 1 2005, 06:54 PM
never over bomb ur neighbourhood...ppl will soon figure out where u live or wateva. Quoted post

If youre smart you wouldnt bomb your neighborhood period, that is unless theres prime spots or you live in an especially bombed out neighborhood. Other than that itll be pretty easy to tell where you live by looking which neighborhood is bombed the most, especially if its mostly redidential.

<!--QuoteBegin-_nightcrawler@Sep 1 2005, 06:54 PM
When gettin chased...ditch your paint in drains
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[/quote]

When getting chased its better to ditch your paint/any materials right at the start, or as youre running along. Because if you wait to dump it into drains/garbage cans by the time you get to that you might already be caught.

[Wire]

Don't dress like a "tagger" or a "bomber", with far too large pants and shoes that are supposed to make your penis look bigger. Wear shit you can run and climb fences and roll around in the mud in. Also, invest in a pair of bolt cutters and a comfortable bag (Backpack, sling pack, paint bag). Never proudly display any of these things.

[shai]

oh yeah- i've heard of cops profiling kids with messenger bags lately. i wonder why? nowadays, i use a doubled up paper bag with handles when i paint...and a messenger bag when i ride my bike.

[_nightcrawler]

When gettin chased...ditch your paint in drains
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When getting chased its better to ditch your paint/any materials right at the start, or as youre running along. Because if you wait to dump it into drains/garbage cans by the time you get to that you might already be caught.
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[/quote]

nuh bro. I was talking about the drains on the side of the streets. You know what im talkin about? Whenever i get chased i throw them there and its all good. There are one of those drains beside the road like every corner

[CACashRefund]

I know which ones your talking about, but in alot of cases actually most, your cans cant fit into those openings. I dont know about where you live but out here theres a regulation on those things, the openings in the grills are like 1 inch and half wide, not nearly big enough to hold a can. But i have been to other places where the drains are big enough to throw a can under, but those are like in residential areas where i wouldnt be tagging anyways.

[_nightcrawler]

Originally posted by CACashRefund@Sep 5 2005, 04:39 AM
I know which ones your talking about, but in alot of cases actually most, your cans cant fit into those openings. I dont know about where you live but out here theres a regulation on those things, the openings in the grills are like 1 inch and half wide, not nearly big enough to hold a can. But i have been to other places where the drains are big enough to throw a can under, but those are like in residential areas where i wouldnt be tagging anyways.
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I live in Australia and the drains on the side of the road hear are massive and you can throw one can down there easy with no problem. So that advice i just gave are probably directed to writers who live in australia or places where the drains on the side of the street are big

[Gunm]

Originally posted by Wire@Sep 3 2005, 04:05 AM
Don't dress like a "tagger" or a "bomber", with far too large pants and shoes that are supposed to make your penis look bigger. Wear shit you can run and climb fences and roll around in the mud in. Also, invest in a pair of bolt cutters and a comfortable bag (Backpack, sling pack, paint bag). Never proudly display any of these things.
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seriously....when you go on a mission...the whole key is to dress as plainly and boring as possible. Dress to be of no interest to onlookers. more importantly, wear stuff you will not be afraid to ruin if required.

Do not brag to people about what you do. Word spreads faster than you think to all the wrong people.

[iloveboxcars]

dress in b-boy gear. if a cop comes start doing flares on the sidewalk.

[shai]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1560973102.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I'm telling you...I dress like this guy most of the time, so no one even looks twice at me...except for all the big booty girls, of course.

I don't know what some writers are thinking when they put on all that floss, when the plan involves going out to apply paint and ink manually. It must be an extention of their devil-may-care attitude.

My uniform, as a rule, is this- brown Dickies or some other dark work pants that are hemmed, tapered and ready for action...two t-shirts, a dirty sweater, long socks, stinky sneakers and a hat...also stinky, of course. Oh, and a messenger bag, of course. In the winter, I'll add my long underwear, my annual $70 rain shell, some kind of winter cap with earflaps, lots of wool and a bottle of 100 proof schnapps in the bag for moral support.

The first time I met Tie (RIP) in 1996, he was dressed in full winter battle gear not unlike mine...in July, on foot, while daytime bombing. He must have known something I didn't...Also, a few years ago, my friend showed up at a Halloween party wearing a dirty black hoody, cut off & stained Bens, Converse lo-tops, no socks, a ripped up white t-shirt and a messenger bag...everyone got the joke. I thought it was hilarious, myself...

[shai]

^Shit, I'm even wearing the same glasses as him as I type this. Whattaya know, eh?

[NUK_IF_YOU_BUK]

http://www.crayolastore.com/product_list.a...L&NAV=GIRLFITTI (http://www.crayolastore.com/product_list.asp?SKW=CRAGIRL&NAV=GIRLFITTI)

[prevail00]

i gotta agree with this guy
paint with a suit and tie

[shai]

Yes...I've done that, too. The trick is not to get paint on the suit. I knew a housepainter who, one time, was asked by some bourgeoisie piece of shit what his credentials were...he showed up in a tux the next day, and painted an entire room with hi-hide white enamel WITHOUT SPILLING A DROP ON HIMSELF, or the floor.

How many of us could do the same?

[TeezerPHM]

Originally posted by shai hulud@Oct 11 2005, 09:26 AM
Yes...I've done that, too. The trick is not to get paint on the suit. I knew a housepainter who, one time, was asked by some bourgeoisie piece of shit what his credentials were...he showed up in a tux the next day, and painted an entire room with hi-hide white enamel WITHOUT SPILLING A DROP ON HIMSELF, or the floor.

How many of us could do the same?
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now thats some shit

[[Mechanical-Giant]]

Originally posted by why write?@Jan 31 2005, 05:37 PM
For all you writers that have just started and need to ask questions and want some tips....here you go.

General Tips:
- always keep your mouth shut
- never tell people you dont trust that you write graffiti
- dont 'tag up' your backpacks/shoes/hats and other things people will see
- dont write on your school
- keep on a low profile
- avoid any contact with police

::::If police arrest you for painting:
- never say anything, dont say that you did it or did not do it...just keep your mouth shut
- tell them you will not speak until you have a lawyer present
- never rat out your buddies
- dont fall for their phony tricks "oh we will let you go if you just tell us who does it and blah blah blah", it is just a trick to mess with your head to get information out of you

Painting Tips:
- dont go straight out to the streets and make yourself look like a fool
- start by practicing at a chill wall that no one will see, if not a chill wall...get plywood or posterboard or cardboard and anything just to practice till you get it down
- dont go straight out and buy 20 cans of montana and waste your money on some toy shit, buy dollar cans just to start off


Tips on Sketching Pieces:
- at first stay simple ;
this means -simple letters, simple colors.
- master block letters and letters on your keyboard at first then progress from there

maybe i will add more later.
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...seriosly read up on this... i learned that shit the hard way...

[suca]

so whats the deal when it comes to security cameras?i cant imagine they can get a good picture of someone when its dark out, but how effective are they typically?

[cocaine blues!]

what is a good time to go out? i would imagine not in broad daylight or anything, but like pitch blackness or what?

[blahh]

Originally posted by suca@Nov 20 2005, 07:15 PM
so whats the deal when it comes to security cameras?i cant imagine they can get a good picture of someone when its dark out, but how effective are they typically?
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buddy of mine has a family member who works for the FBI. says they have cameras that can display a picture clear as day using no light. As in, its pitch black, but they can see you like its the middle of the day. I think its still pretty high end though, not what most people would use.

[droptheknife]

^^^^
thats what a hood and hat is for son.

[prevail00]

if ur a toy and u see a nice piece - paint over it its the best way to get noticed :haha:

[_nightcrawler]

Originally posted by prevail00@Nov 26 2005, 04:33 AM
if ur a toy and u see a nice piece - paint over it its the best way to get noticed :haha:
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hahahahaha yeah. All you toys do that. If you see a good piece thats really clean and shit. Go over it with your name. hahahaahha

[*elusive artist*]

im a new tagger :gaga: , and i was jus wonderin, where are the best places to bomb? where can my tags be seen? what about on house fences, is that ok? someone please post, so i can get da 411. :crap:

[xdontsleepx]

Originally posted by *elusive artist*@Dec 3 2005, 09:53 PM
im a new tagger :gaga: , and i was jus wonderin, where are the best places to bomb? where can my tags be seen? what about on house fences, is that ok? someone please post, so i can get da 411. :crap:
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personally i would not paint on someones house or fence. thats just me though. a business and corporate and city places whatever. but someones home and there shit. i wouldnt. cause to buff it or whatever comes out of there pocket. not a business's or whatever. and i look at like i wouldnt want someone painting on my house my fence my car. but the places i worked for i dont care. im not the one that has to buff it if any. so thats fair game to me.

[_nightcrawler]

Alright first of all. I no all you toys got your dreams set on being in the dopest crews in your town. Think again. Its better to be in a crew with all your closest writing buddies then a crew full of randoms. Why, i hear you ask? Because if your in the dopest crew in your town and you dont know them that well, they could just be using you to get their name up. They could also backstab you. Graffiti is a very dangerous game to play. Once your in deep enough, you cant get out. Most of the crews around now days have started off with a group of mates that are all tight and shit. Its complicated, but you toys will hear stories about the crews in your town and get the jist of things eventually. Make your own crew with your mates and maybe one day, with alot of practice, your crew will be one of the dopest crews in your town.

Dont give a fuck what anyone else says. If friends tell you to stop because its bad. say "fuck you" and walk away. If a bitch makes you choose between her and graff, dump the hoe. Shes a selfish bitch if she makes you choose between what you like to do and her.

If in 6 or so months of writing and you dont like your stuff and dont see any improvement, i say stop. Graffiti is not for you. If your commited about doing graffiti you would practice and practice whenever you have a pen and paper in your hands.

My friends brother for instance. He started sketching when he was about grade 3. Thats about 8 years old. He started painting when he was around 12. by the time he hit 15, he was known across the town. Just because your young, doesnt mean you cant be good. Dont be intimidated or scared. When your down at your local drains or even the train yard and you see other writers, dont be scared and run away. Talk to them, most likely they will have a chat with you and give you good tips.

When you first start off, find a chill spot you can piece where NO ONE can see your pieces. You have to find a chill spot because you gotta practice. You dont want to hit the town and pull off some wak shit then hear the next day that people are baggin you and calling you wak. Once you got your pieces tight, then you can hit the town.

Dont start off buying beltons, montana, krylon and all that. Your just wasting your money. Buy cheap paint to do you first hand full of pieces. You dont want to waste $15 a can to pull of some wak toy shit that will be slashed once you finished. the paint you toys use on some wak pieces could of gone to some dope writer.

anyways here are some words you toys should follow

"to the toys who destroy productions by bombing around other peoples pieces to get up in flicks. If you call yourself a writer, then respect the artwork. Or you will make graffiti look ugly - Rock Da City crew"

Anyways piece out toys. Keep writing..
GET UP OR GET OUT!.

[fuck muni]

Originally posted by prevail00@Oct 9 2005, 06:57 PM
i gotta agree with this guy
paint with a suit and tie
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on prom night a few years back, i got drunk as fuck and walked out the whack hotel party and was straight bombin chinatown sportin my blinged out rented tuxedo....climbin on newstands and duckin in alleys straight pimpish with my tie half undone

luckily i didnt get any paint on my shit

[MRSOEMR]

ha ha that shits ill i did some shit like except it was holloween i was jason taggin shit up!!!!!!!!

[Flavicon]

Originally posted by iloveboxcars@Sep 24 2005, 03:54 PM
dress in b-boy gear. if a cop comes start doing flares on the sidewalk.
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Hahah, thats hilarious

[LEFTone]

straight up serve that bitch^^^^hahaha rock that pig


my advice...if you have a family member or friend thats a cop ask them to get you a piggy uniform and bomb in that

[beardofzeus]

yeah, cuz if you are going to be getting arrested for graffiti, you might as well add impersonating a police officer to your list.
Moron.

[Sparoism]

But the look on the cop's face would be priceless.

Imagine getting hauled into the station in uniform....headscratch, headscratch.

[grimey grimace]

Originally posted by BEEFEATER@Feb 5 2005, 01:30 AM
Smoke dust.
Buy rollerblades.
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haahahahahahahahahaahaa
damn that was good...too many rbxtreeme kids write...
sure im a toy ass mother fucker,but what ever im in it cause its fun.
id like to add a rule...
dont throw shit up while intoxicated.if you want to do something make sure you are fully aware of your surroundings and shit...unless you know a sure fire way to break the police if you get caught in the act....think of doin graff like doin some army sargents virgin daughter...if you are gonna do it make sure its worth while and it wont go down untill its a off night for crime and shit. idk its just not a good idea....

[Sparoism]

Originally posted by BEEFEATER@Feb 4 2005, 10:30 PM
Smoke dust.
Buy rollerblades.
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I remember reading that article and thinking, "I don't care how much graff he does and how much dust he smokes. He's a fruitbooter. End of story."

Thanks for the memory...

[QueaZyFunK]

heres my tip
if a cop sees your or you see acop or anything. you run. you run your fuckin ass off. like in the matrix. you run. beacuse 95% of the time, no cop is goona chase you that far for a tagger. so RUN

[CACashRefund]

cops will chase you

ive gotten raided in chill spots and had like 15 cops respond to the scene

its a waste of resources, yes, but dont underestimate the ignorance of cops.

[CACashRefund]

im not saying dont run, but be prepared. dont think after you lose a cop, that a block or two away itll be all cool for you.

[Sene]

fuck that man...if i see a cop i go all stealth on him, climbing onto box cars and shit...now one night...

I was in the yard working on an end to end string of throw ups
and i hear some gravel crunching on the other side of the car. So I freeze and wait and then i see a flashlight moving around in between the cars...so i go to the other end and pekk over and sure enough, pork is on my trail. I climb up the nearby ladder and lay down and listen.. I hear him kick around one of my cans and then he talks on his radio, "Rodger that, vandals in the yard." I begin to inch forward so i can look over the edge and as i do that i knock a rock off the top of the car. Piggy looks up and sees me and I just stand up and book it...jumping from car to car and when i stop to look back i see this dumbass climbing up after me. He runs and jumps....makes it about 4 cars away from me and then he trips over something sticking out of the top of the car. I jump over to see how he is and when i get there hes holding his radio in his hand, "...requesting backup..." so i just dropped down, got my shit and ran...

[i_write]

hahaha .. u know, ' HERO ' citizens give more of a fuck then most cops .. unless the cop feels like beating the shit out of you then he'll get you . but the hero citizens are the oens to look out for, fuck they'll do almost anything..

[prevail00]

im a beginer but i no some shit so for all the toys out there listen up

1)when ur starting off just buy shitty paint from wallmart
get good with that stuff and then when u move onto better paint it will feel amazing

2) dont by caps, you can pop off any caps from any spray apliance and stick em on ur paint can, (until u get better)

3) dont by 12$ pens, just make em urself and they will be bigger, better colour and more corosive

4) dont start writing on trains right away because ypu will regret it later, just start at a chill wall somewhere

5) dont write on ur school, principals take pics of all the tags that go on the school, they record all that shit and put it together and then when they c it on ur binder then ur fuct

6) dont EVER go over a nice peice with some shitty toy shit (even if its really old)

6)smoke crack

[nopi-one]

Wonderful to see. my advice

1. Hook up with heads. If you're starting out, someone more experienced helping you out is wonderful.
2. DO FUCKING NOT TELL COPS SHIT! You see one after you just got finished painting, dont panic. Smile, "Hey how ya doin' sir?" Smile and walk the fuck on.

[chumbawumba]

Yeah ok... personally I think just walking the fuck by without opening your trap is a lot less suspicious then saying "Hey how ya doin' sir?" with a big grin on your face. Just walk with good posture, don't make it look like your hiding something, keep your chin up, and walk the fuck by his bacon ass.

[_nightcrawler]

When your painting and you see someone call the cops, you got 5 minutes to pack your shit and get the fuck out of there. Once your out of there, dont start walking on the main road. Try stay off main roads as much as possible.

When doing a piece at a drain or train lines during the day, always wear a hoodie. ALWAYS! Because you never know when some wannabe "hero" will pop out of no where and take a flick of you face

[el hamburgler]

use a name thats not already used where you live especially if theyre up/better than you... you would look like a fucking idiot
if youre that nervous about a cop catching you stash your paint somewhere temporarily and go back when you feel its safe.


dont fight police they will end up beating the shit out of you... youve all probably seen that on cops

[guttersludge]

Don't be a pussy, kick the cop in the nuts, then take his wallet, make sure you rep your crew on mcporksalots uniform and be out.

[Sene]

hmm....i really wouldnt want to start a fight with an officer...isnt that "assualting a police officer" a felony or shit.......buy a treadmill and learn to run your ass off.

[Detech]

Hello everyone thank you u all for making this thread i am a toy with a capital T my names Detech i have been called this by people for years cuz i spot things most people look over and most people look over me i respect this art with every bit of my being i hope to be one day even close to as good of a writer as some of the people in this world i dont paint yet i only sketch i know im not good enough and wannt be for a long time in saying that peace

[WHOWHAT]

YOU CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP

[dirmaster0]

Get crossed once, shrug that shit off

Twice, let em know you dont take pleasure in them doing it

Thrice, beat their little bitch ass in a battle

x4--fuck them Up :hatred:

---Just playin---

Scope out spots before you hit em up--First for ways to get to it--second for your own damn safety--check the surfaces to make sure you wont hit some unexpected snag--and if you hit shit over an edge--remember to check your knots (if you use ropes to get down--shit even if leaning over)--


Use common sense and you should be good

[Guide]

thanks guys this helped me alot and i love espos rules of graffiti

[YourSistersAssCookie]

Im sure some one said it Im too lazy to read this whole thread
Never bomb your own neighborhood.
Especially if you live in the suburbs.
Just dont do it.
Its like leaving a trail of breadcrumbs to your front steps.
And oh Espo said it the best

[Ergot]

i'm pretty good at sketching 'n shit but just really started painting & it pisses me off everytime i do a bomb or peice because it looks like shit. so my advice, build a freewall or find a good wall & PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!! don't waste your time on krylon & rusto & whateva, dollar cans till you feel ready, fools! & from past exprience, don't tag at school! (espcially in texas, that shit's a felony!). try not to carry any drugs or pipes or shit on you, cause if you do get caught that's two (maybe more) things they have on you. I've already made the mistake of sketching on all my papers in class & shit so now all my teachers know my tag, so watch out for that, &&& don't tag anywhere around or near your school. ummm, don't start shit with people unless you're better than them (at least don't start shit for their writing). & personally i think it's better to go bombin' with another person & have one watch out while the other paints.
that's all for now i guess

[C4 BOOM]

Originally posted by guttersludge@Jan 31 2006, 10:00 AM
Don't be a pussy, kick the cop in the nuts, then take his wallet, make sure you rep your crew on mcporksalots uniform and be out.
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aahhAHAHAHAHahahaHAHahaH

[OFFICER PUSSYNUTS]

wtf??now we got places to bomb and not bomb???DESTROY DA FUCKIN EARTH YO...u newbies want a tip???do wat ever it takes to get your name up!!!fawk the cops, fawk the neighbors and the kids at skoo..bomb the police cars, bomb yo fawkin neighbor hood and show um who runs da streets and bomb your local skoo so litto kids gets motivation...FAWK THE BABYLON..REBEL AGAINST SOCIETY BITCHES..

[Tough Love]

heres some advice

go out on sunday nights or on weekdays like monday, teusday wed thursday
not friday or saturday as most ppl will be out an about by then
also
sunday nights are good cuz everyones got work the next day
AND if u hit a heaty spot, even if it gets buffed, ppl will see it monday morning on their way to work


also it may be good if ur not carrying too much paint to wear a hoodie or some sweatshirt with pockets underneath ur jacket, and keep cans in there, without carrying a backpack or anythingg like that
like underneath inside pockets
also when its cold, u can use those good wintery type gloves to keep ur hands warm, just cut off a few fingers from the glove so ur can doesnt slip outta ur hands
wear a latex glove underneath too

[ToTeS]

-Always bring you're own paint when going with others to mural and such. Don't be expecting to mooch paint, because they have better things to worry about then if you have paint or not.

[ToTeS]

another thing is you only have boundries if you make them

[runniggarun]

Originally posted by dirmaster0@Feb 5 2006, 08:10 PM
Get crossed once, shrug that shit off

Twice, let em know you dont take pleasure in them doing it

Thrice, beat their little bitch ass in a battle

x4--fuck them Up :hatred:

---Just playin---

Scope out spots before you hit em up--First for ways to get to it--second for your own damn safety--check the surfaces to make sure you wont hit some unexpected snag--and if you hit shit over an edge--remember to check your knots (if you use ropes to get down--shit even if leaning over)--


Use common sense and you should be good
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Naw thats shit rightt.But in my hood.. We dont let the beef slide the second time..

[New14]

Originally posted by ClueTwo@Jan 31 2005, 10:08 PM
It's unfortunate these kids have to learn this here..Have they nobody to look up to? I guess some of us are more privaleged than anything when it comes to knowing people who have been in the game when we started..
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True I am just starting out and I am really lost the only thing I have to look up to is these forums.

[why write?]

recite back to page 1.

[Mornix.310]

THANKS YOU GUYS THOSE TIPS WERE NICE....


ARE ANY OF YOU GUYS LOCATED IN GARDENA, CA....if so E-MAIL me...
i wanna hit something up with a crew or something...i need to get down with a GRAFFITI CREW...in GARDENA,CA...or L.A....

peace out
...MORNIX....

[flymonk]

these guys worked to not let you look so fucking gay, and here you are fucking it up. Do i smell bacon? good luck getting into a GRAFFITI CREW in GARDENA CALIFORNIA. dipshit.

[Drax]

These are some really good tips, they are helpful for a rook like me. But i gotta know, do most of you guys live in the citys or in suburban areas? cause it seems alot eaiser to find places to tag in the cities. The only places i hit up are abandoned military bases in my town.

[Real SFC]

Originally posted by Pearlpaint+Feb 1 2005, 01:48 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pearlpaint - Feb 1 2005, 01:48 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I actually don't understand what is so "unfortunate". What a backwards way of thinking when looking at the "digital divide" amongst grafitti writers. Some of the old school have been progressing in propagating knowledge, flicks, interviews, etc... online plus access to the proper writing/ artist tools and supplies. when I was a kid, we didn't have the internet for all this. The newer kids will be smarter than us because they have more available to them and has already changed the graf scene.


<!--QuoteBegin-ClueTwo@Jan 31 2005, 11:08 PM
It's unfortunate these kids have to learn this here..Have they nobody to look up to? I guess some of us are more privaleged than anything when it comes to knowing people who have been in the game when we started..
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yeah same here when I started I knew there were older writers around but they never gave us no guidance or anything, guess they didnt take us serious. so we did our own thing and learned rules n what not along the way. now there can be more educated writers coming up thx to the internet and popularity of the culture.

[fly high]

thanks for the advice

[-MOE LESTER-]

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS CARRY A GUN


taggerbombing is a hardcore hobby, most writers who dont pack a gun die within the first few years of taggerbombing

[D_Zero]

why the fuck, must i carry a gun?

[shady67]

hey from my experince with the cops ha ha this is a funny story me and my cuzz both like to smoke weed anyway we were totally fucc'd stoned outta our trees plus coughmedicine (we buy tha cheep alcohal ) then we both like woah dude we got up and got sum paint sum gas and some other items to destoy HAHAHA (we crayzeee) so we go out an just start hittin eveything up wit paint we pass we then see my old homie from my crew an we go an shit in a box pour some gas on it and light it on sum dudes doorstep then head home 4 sum eggz hahaha we went to tha park hit it wit some paint then light up tha garbage can and walk down the street egging the rest of the houses..... oh and this was all on my block from my house 2..... anyways we get home me an my cuzz an we chill smoke sum blunt an chill wit a bag of doritos chips an sleep........ in tha moring me an him go outside have a smoke an shyt anyway a cop goes by my house an we like thinkin ok it aint 4 us and mutha fucka baccz up an pulls up 2 my house asks my name an gets me an my cuzz say if we go clean up the graffiti and shit we will be alright so we cleaned up the graff on tha house but we got off with the egging and he never ask'd bout tha shitty fire box lol so we dident say nuttin an my buddy that we came accross that night the cops went to get him i called him so he could bring up some weed he brought it an his pipe ready b4 tha cop came 2 get him an so when we were through tha clean up we went home an got high again it was the most funnyist shit ever happen 2 me

[shady67]

oh yea point of tha story is " DON'T SHIT IN YOUR BACKYARD"
thats what mr.officer said 2 me an i guess i was stupid to think i would never get caught lol

[blaze312]

"- don't rat out your buddies"
don't rat out ANYBODY, even your enemies!!!

[jes_a_lil_fun]

yo, i started maybe a year and a half ago, but started getting into it maybe halfway through that time period.

I mainly do my stuff with one or two other kids.

One kid is just a little better then me, but its because i refuse to bite stuff, where he just takes whatever he can.

the other kid just kind of learns from me, but he dosent really take advice when i try to help him.

i really dont know what to do, i study all the artists in RI but i dont learn shit, and its impossible to meet other artists. i dont want to be a biter but my throwups come out like shit, and i wouldnt even want to desecrate a wall with a "peice".

What the fuck do i do?

[why write?]

practice your letters....look at other peoples shit to get ideas of your own, come up with something you enjoy and think others will enjoy...rack your paint, go paint some walls with your fly ass throw up

[toggle]

Originally posted by shady67@Mar 5 2006, 06:35 PM
hey from my experince with the cops ha ha this is a funny story me and my cuzz both like to smoke weed anyway we were totally fucc'd stoned outta our trees plus coughmedicine (we buy tha cheep alcohal ) then we both like woah dude we got up and got sum paint sum gas and some other items to destoy HAHAHA (we crayzeee) so we go out an just start hittin eveything up wit paint we pass we then see my old homie from my crew an we go an shit in a box pour some gas on it and light it on sum dudes doorstep then head home 4 sum eggz hahaha we went to tha park hit it wit some paint then light up tha garbage can and walk down the street egging the rest of the houses..... oh and this was all on my block from my house 2..... anyways we get home me an my cuzz an we chill smoke sum blunt an chill wit a bag of doritos chips an sleep........ in tha moring me an him go outside have a smoke an shyt anyway a cop goes by my house an we like thinkin ok it aint 4 us and mutha fucka baccz up an pulls up 2 my house asks my name an gets me an my cuzz say if we go clean up the graffiti and shit we will be alright so we cleaned up the graff on tha house but we got off with the egging and he never ask'd bout tha shitty fire box lol so we dident say nuttin an my buddy that we came accross that night the cops went to get him i called him so he could bring up some weed he brought it an his pipe ready b4 tha cop came 2 get him an so when we were through tha clean up we went home an got high again it was the most funnyist shit ever happen 2 me
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is that whole thing one fucking sentance... your an idiot "."

[soulkillers]

may have said already..
start simple learn your structure before you try complex styles.
dont try to use mulituple corolrs if yur letters suck,all u are doing is making a mess.
paint for yourself fuc everyone else.
to me painting is a love not a trendy fad.
study other writers style an incoprate what u like but dont match it line for line.
use your own flair.
if you are out fo fame quit now.
if you get stoped by police dont act hard or stupid it only makes it harder for u. cops are only doing there job.
if your are the one person that claims to all u ate cops u are the first one to call 911 when ur big mouth get u into shit.
domnt expet skil to come over night takes time.
even some of the sickest writer have shitty handstyes.
usin words like tagger and tag are supid , use some common sense.
and if all else fails grab a rope and chair. place one end of rope on trr stsnd on chsir plsc otther end of rope sround neck. jump off chsir.....now jst die slresdy

[.CommotioN.]

yeah, definitely dont let classmates know you write (unless you really trust them)

i made that mistake before, the teachers WILL find out and thats scary and embarrassing.

not to mention all the kids that will go up and ask you to do their name in "tag-style"

[.CommotioN.]

racking paint.

i'm new to it so when i steal paint i peel the barcodes off to be safe, it takes long so i only get 2 cans at a time.
Is this neccessary? can i just stuff them in my pants and not set off the alarm?


p.s. different people i ask tell me different things, so i dont know who to believe

[trill198]

the alarm wont go off, you know those little things on clothes those are the things that set off the alarm. but for good measures take a magnet and rub the magnet over the barcode

[karma]

Originally posted by shady67@Mar 5 2006, 06:35 PM
hey from my experince with the cops ha ha this is a funny story me and my cuzz both like to smoke weed anyway we were totally fucc'd stoned outta our trees plus coughmedicine (we buy tha cheep alcohal ) then we both like woah dude we got up and got sum paint sum gas and some other items to destoy HAHAHA (we crayzeee) so we go out an just start hittin eveything up wit paint we pass we then see my old homie from my crew an we go an shit in a box pour some gas on it and light it on sum dudes doorstep then head home 4 sum eggz hahaha we went to tha park hit it wit some paint then light up tha garbage can and walk down the street egging the rest of the houses..... oh and this was all on my block from my house 2..... anyways we get home me an my cuzz an we chill smoke sum blunt an chill wit a bag of doritos chips an sleep........ in tha moring me an him go outside have a smoke an shyt anyway a cop goes by my house an we like thinkin ok it aint 4 us and mutha fucka baccz up an pulls up 2 my house asks my name an gets me an my cuzz say if we go clean up the graffiti and shit we will be alright so we cleaned up the graff on tha house but we got off with the egging and he never ask'd bout tha shitty fire box lol so we dident say nuttin an my buddy that we came accross that night the cops went to get him i called him so he could bring up some weed he brought it an his pipe ready b4 tha cop came 2 get him an so when we were through tha clean up we went home an got high again it was the most funnyist shit ever happen 2 me
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ur an idiot.

[icetray]

I forgot where I saved this from or who wrote it, but here it is anyway. . .

How to reduce the risk of getting caught:

Do not write your tags on your personal property, such as schoolbooks, bags, inside of your hat, back of your desk etc. If you want to practice your tag style on paper, make sure you throw the pieces of paper out when you finished. Keep your sketchbook hidden in a safe place. Keep your photos hidden in a safe place too. Doing so will make the evidence harder to find when your house is searched.
-Keep a low profile. Do not tell every writer you meet your real name & where you live, until you fully trust them. You do not want everyone to know who you are, what you write, and what your tag is. The risk of getting caught increases the more people you tell! When writers get caught, they are usually asked for information on other writers. It is possible that someone might 'spill the beans' about you accidentally or intentionally, when being questioned.
-Never tell anyone about your plans. This is one of the golden rules of not getting caught. Tip-offs are common.
-Do not write your tags close to your home or neighborhood. By doing so, you will keep your position / home-base secret. There was a writer once that bombed the trail that lead from his home to the railway station. Over time, the trail got bombed out so much that you could work out where he lived by following the tags!
-The number 1 Golden Rule of not being caught is "Make sure that you do not fit the Profile of a Writer". This simply means, when bombing, don't dress & look as a writer. Some of the best 'camouflage' you can get is geek clothing (e.g. shirts with a collar etc). Also, consider keeping your markers / spray cans in a plastic grocery bag. Keep your shoes, clothes and hands clean from spray paint. Keep your nails short too. This will prevent spray-paint from going under your nails, and becoming hard to clean. When questioned, the first thing you are asked it to show your hands.
-Check for cameras before you tag. Don't forget that some (infra-red) cameras can see in the dark.
-Want to stop your cans from rattling? Attach a magnet to the base of the can. The magnet will hold the ball bearing in place! (Round strong magnets, that fit perfectly to the base of the can).
-Wipe your fingerprints from empty cans and markers that you throw away.
-Never hit your favorite spots over again. Try to keep a random pattern of places that you hit.
-Always have an excuse or alibi ready.

[icetray]

when you rack and you've got a shitload of cans. don't bring all those cans with you on one night of bombing. make that shit worthwhile. have a set number of cans you'll kill every week of the month so that you'll be able to paint and not have to rack the again the whole month. so that you won't burn out your racks and next time you go there to rack up they'll have a fresh supply.

[EGO31]

Racking is scary i havn't done it yet but i might soon coz i'm gettin my friend to help me get markers always rack with someone else and if you havnt been seen loitering by something it is less suss don't tell your parents what you write they WILL NARK ON YOU!!!!!! other than that only bomb on really crap peices of peeps you have never heard of and you don't like if it is good respect it and don't trash the environment put your stuff in a bin if it is marker and someone elses for cans. :king: :haha: :clown2:

[stoke]

...alright alright. fuck emo though.

[EGO31]

stoke don't preach and stick to the thred don't get down on other writers for what they do unless they listen to emo like stoke here then just give them shit for that emo is really really really bad.

[Keasher]

ego31 yo from tas ey? email [email protected]

[freek]

hey. total noob here. thanx for the tips guys. great stuff.

[freek]

hey. total noob here

[freek]

hey. total noob here

[icetray]

:five-o:

[freek]

hey. total noob here. thanx for the tip

[+1up]

OKAY! :heated:

[MelkRman]

this thread is shit now, the earlier pages were better! DAMN SHUT THE FUCK UP NOOB

[Inhalant]

your one to.^

[karma]

dont say noob,do you understand hwo fucking gay and lame that makes you sound??!! :hatred: :hatred:

[EGO31]

ha karma has it right don't say noob it's gay

don't ever tell your parent's i've said it before and i'll say it again never tell your parent's

[Gunm]

THANKS YOU GUYS THOSE TIPS WERE NICE....


ARE ANY OF YOU GUYS LOCATED IN GARDENA, CA....if so E-MAIL me...
i wanna hit something up with a crew or something...i need to get down with a GRAFFITI CREW...in GARDENA,CA...or L.A....

peace out
...MORNIX....


You don't ever ASK to be in a crew. Meet up with some people once you're comfortable with your handstyle and throwies. hang out with them, show them you've got style, talent and balls to match. If they like you enough as an artist and a person, you will be invited to join the crew.

Or, just get a few people together and start your own crew

[EGO31]

he's a pig man we don't talk to him

[Gunm]

got it

[shaleem]

nice topic

[Qik.5]

You don't ever ASK to be in a crew. Meet up with some people once you're comfortable with your handstyle and throwies. hang out with them, show them you've got style, talent and balls to match. If they like you enough as an artist and a person, you will be invited to join the crew.

Or, just get a few people together and start your own crew

i live outside a larger city and i dont know where any crews bomb, besides the middleschool kids who write Sur13 everywhere. are most crews inner city?

[_nightcrawler]

Graffiti is everywhere mate. If i were you and you want to start meeting writers, i would hit places were ALOT OF PEOPLE will see it. Just make sure you handstyle/peices are up to scratch first. Hit drains if there are any. Eventually you will meet someone and then they will ask "yo mate what do you write?". You tell them what you write and then if you bombed places were alot of people can see, they can say "Oh ye ive seen you up bro". They wont think your some useless toy so i guess they would like to talk to you.

i seriously hope that made some sense

[Qik.5]

yeah that made some sence, basically i just gotta put up more and ppl will find me is what i think your trying to say.

[_nightcrawler]

Yes something like that. Make sure you put up something people will actually look at in owe instead of something they will look at in disgust

[gents_one....the derelict]

most of this stuff is great advice. some absolutely essential tips are:

. never brag infront of people. even thought you think you are a great writer there is always atleast a thousand people better than you.

.do not....DO NOT, hit steel straight away. if your stuff looks shit on a wall, it will look pitiful on a train.

.dont dress like a writer. this has been covered, but take it from me this will save you.

.never ever become cocky. once you become confident you can easily escape a situation...you will get caught. think everything through slowly and rationally. this being said, you are a writer, not james bond or tom cruise in mission impossible.

.if you are writing because it is "the cool thing to do" , give up now. no one owns writing, writing owns us. writing is a way of life and it will make you its bitch. treat writing well and it will reward you....be an idiot and prepare to get slapped.

.....pffffffffft, lighten the fuck up and enjoy writing.

[_nightcrawler]

gents_one....the derelict, Well said mate.

never ever become cocky. once you become confident you can easily escape a situation...you will get caught. think everything through slowly and rationally. this being said, you are a writer, not james bond or tom cruise in mission impossible

Never become a cocky cunt ever. Always think your work is shit and you will only improve. But then, being like james bond or tom cruise is a good thing. Doin trains and hot spots you need stealth, timing and teamwork (only if you working in a group). You dont want to walk into a yard or a hot spot unprepared and just run around that area like a mental patient. True?

[Juice001]

Damn man, this is a good thread.
Thanx.
But i dont see why
we should be posting in here unless
we have anything else to add.

[**GeTuP**]

yo, dont bite shit form the other side of the world and think that u wont get caught, the real heads no a hell of a lot more than you..

[Juice001]

yo, dont bite shit form the other side of the world and think that u wont get caught, the real heads no a hell of a lot more than you..

Whatevr Hater:rolleyes:

[MelkRman]

Shut the fuck up!! ^^ you need to learn your respect man. im tellin you . your givin a bad name to TOC. so sorry i gotta drop you. learn your history and respect!!!
we dont want haters hatin on toc! so bye.

[MOE-LESTER]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH YOU FAGGOTS ARE RECRUITING MEMBERS IN THE YARD


in my opinion crews are fucking stupid. its funny when members of a crew dont even know other members and shit. a crew should be a buncha niggas that drink and parlay with eachother and got each others back, and start their own shit. i will never join a crew if i dont know or kick it with the people in it. asking to join a crew is the toyest shit i have ever heard

[MelkRman]

I never recruited him on 12. i did in real life. and btw, we did chill with eachother

[sewsnc]

yeah that made some sence, basically i just gotta put up more and ppl will find me is what i think your trying to say.


Not so much where the general public will see it, but more writers.
Like day spots. Do lots of peices in day spots.

[_nightcrawler]

Dont drop locations..EVER

[WRNG]

it's probaly been said b4 but start out with basic block and bubble letters. until you get them down don't even try big pieces. start out just drawing your shit in a notebook and then move up to a chill wall and then when u have your shit down search for your own spots. never cross out a piece unless u r positive you can do better. try your hardest to get down the basics of everything, tags, handstyles, throw-ups, rollers, wheatpaste, stickers, and then go bombing.

[B4youGrabbedAmarker]

its been stated a million fuckin times here...but I can't stress enough the importance of PRACTICE!!!! going out and dropping your crappy, non-stylish, amatuer scribble will do nothing more than give you a shitty name. the only kind of recognition recieved from that is " hey there goes that fuckin toy !" keep yourself calm when you go out and crush... dont panic everytime a car goes by... make sure that if you roll with a crew, that everyone in it is down to throw blows with you instead of leaving you to get pummeled by the guys whose throwie you dissed... and if you get popped....STOP FUCKING TALKING!!!!!

[_nightcrawler]

no matter how many times you tell these toys to go simple, 9 out of 10 toys will continue there pathetic, useless attempts of wildstyle.

[backin96]

:rolleyes:

[backin96]

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! woe

[backin96]

i love you guys

[backin96]

dont telllllllll

[END-TNS]

:shakehead:

[_nightcrawler]

your all gay

[nic rophilia]

"A good artist steals, a bad one copies."

i forget where i heard this, im afraid.


its pablo paccasso. and i think its "bad artists immitate, but great ones steal"

[ADEL]

I forgot who's interveiw it was or whatever, but the dude was saying bit e if your a toy, whats gonna fuckin` happen your gonna be called a toy once again. Use other peoples styles if you fuckin want - don't fuckin` use the same name or quote the other person but If your, ohh that a looks sick. or something than use the basic letter construction. And if you are toy status don't hit up everywhere or if you think your styles "fresh" but noone else does they are not hatin` they probably are right. And if you wanna get up w/ a crew or something find out who they are first- don't be like I write (some name.) what do you write. Use common sense also. If your pretty new look at rollers and shit, Try and do block letters like that possibly fade colors through it 3-d the bitch and add an outline(forcefeild whatever) and your done. But try it in a ditch or on plywood first.

[ADEL]

Also if you wanna become "king" status or what ever like sick ass bomber as JA or whatever you have to be a crazy bastard. Watch sate your name if you can. These guys don't give a fuck, you go out and just hit everything up- thats cool and all but don't just walk down to walmart and hit up the side of it with- " PUNK ROCK RULES" that shit is hella GAY. Develope style in your throwups/bombs, repetition and flow is what makes it crazy. big ass letters is good too but longer than repitition. Climb on shit and get up in places where average people would be like "How the fuck did he get up there?" and other writers will wonder. This will get you respect. peace for now.

[ADEL]

oh yeah- i've heard of cops profiling kids with messenger bags lately. i wonder why? nowadays, i use a doubled up paper bag with handles when i paint...and a messenger bag when i ride my bike.

ABERCROMBIE BAGS!!! lol, no I use the big ass cardboard type bags like those, from a place called trader joes, it's got health food and shit.

[ADEL]

someone asked for espo's rules?




Espo's Rules Of Graffiti

As published in The Art of Getting Over:



You suck until further notice

It's gonna take a long time before we even acknowledge your existence, even longer before we can bear to look at that foul scribble you call your name. To speed the process of acceptance, you can A) Choose a clever name that defies the norm of simple-minded slang. An example of a good name is "ARGUE" (RIP). It looks good when written, sounds cool when spoken, and conveys a combattive attitude. On the other hand, "ENEMA" (actual name) looks, sounds, and conveys a shitty attitude. BE CHOOSY. B ) Use paint, gain a thorough knowledge of supplies, remember that permission walls, stickers, and dust tags are small parts of a balanced diet, be bold, learn a style of writing for every occassion,and write your name bigger every time you go out.

Jealousy is a diesease for the weak

Your heart is your greatest possession, dont let it get taken from you.

Dont write on houses of worship, people's houses in general, other
writer's names, and tombstones. Writing on memorial walls and cars is beef beyond belief. Furthermore, involving civilians in your beef is grounds for dismissal. These are are the five fingers of your right hand. Get to know them well. Give soul claps, firm handshakes, and throw smooth bolo punches.

Although being a toy seems undesirable, you should enjoy it while you can. At this stage you can bite all you want with no remorse. All your elders will say is, " Awww isn't that cute, kootchie kootchie koo." So steal that dope connection, rob that color scheme. and loot whole letterforms. Dont worry about giving any credit, we'll pat ourselves on the back and brag how we're influencing the next generation. However, style isnt a crutch or a schtick. It is understanding why that connection you bit flows, or why that color scheme bumps. Style is the process to an appealing end. Once you got it down to a science, you can reinvent letterforms to suit yourself. This creative growth will amaze the old and young alike. Pretty soon somebody will steal your secret sauce and the cycle will be renewed. If this happens to you, don't bitch about not getting your due. Graffiti is the language of the ignored. If your style is stolen, someone heard you speaking. You got what you wanted from the beginning, some attention, you big baby.

It must be noted that the vandal squad loves graffiti. Their job requires
them to fiend for graff as much as you do. When you wreck enough walls, they'll want to meet you. Just like the ball huggers outside the graff shop, they'll recite every spot you hit, with the difference being you'll also hear the Miranda Warning. To postpone this, go solo as much as possible. Dont write with anyone that wont fight for you. Don't be paranoid, but be careful. If you avoid writing on pristine properties, you'll stay in misdemeanor territory, and you wont divert the cops' attention from pastry and caffiene consumption (consult local laws to be sure). Remember, if they didn't see you do it, it's almost impossible for them to win a conviction without your own damming testimony. Shut up, shut up, SHUT UP! Giving a cop info on another writer will doom you to a life of ridicule, from cops and kids alike, with no parole.

There's nothing wrong with knowing your the shit as long as you are. But once you reach that conclusion, your one foot over the edge of falling off. Watch your step fathead, there's no shortage of people chanting, "JUMP JUMP JUMP!" There are plenty of writers that have been painting well for the better part of 20 years, and your posing and fronting looks retarded next to them. Get back to work, you "never was" slouch. In conclusion, graffiti is free, impresses the girls, is heroic in our couch potato culture, will provide you with a million stories to tell at parties, and a sure cure for the inner-city blues. If it's not fun, you're doing it wrong or have been doing it too long. So get going, fame awaits the fly among you.

bump this for those too lazy to get to the first page, lol.
Espo knows what he's talking about. peace.

[iloveboxcars]

in my opinion crews are fucking stupid. its funny when members of a crew dont even know other members and shit. a crew should be a buncha niggas that drink and parlay with eachother and got each others back, and start their own shit. i will never join a crew if i dont know or kick it with the people in it. asking to join a crew is the toyest shit i have ever heard

exactly.

[z0ne]

dont know if this is the right place for this but whats the difference when you paint on brick towards painting metal? fades quicker?

[ADEL]

I've never painted metal, noot yet atleast. But what I am guessing is brick wall soaks that shit up and it is hella easy to drip on metal. I don't know that's just what I am guessing ;)

[_nightcrawler]

Dont paint any metal yet ADEL. Wait a couple of years or until your good enough to be down with cunts who own yards. If you dont know this and you paint in the wrong yard, its a death wish

Some melburn heads would know what im talking about

[ADEL]

lol, there ar'nt anu yards where I live anyways. lol. Theres tracks and shit but they don't stop here. Thats just what I was told by some other crew tho.

[BILL COSBY]

adel...........you joined MAY2006.....11days ago, and you are already a junior member!!!!!!!how can you be a junior member already if you say you get up?!?!?!!?

[ADEL]

lol, bro. look through my posts on my public profile. I don't go to public school so I have all day to post away. And I hav'nt been post whoring.:D

[BILL COSBY]

i dont know what the fuck you just said..............................