Bird Flu

[skroez]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4295649.stm

Experts say it is no longer a case of if but when a pandemic of bird flu hits the human population.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) recently urged all countries to develop or update their influenza "pandemic preparedness plans" after experts estimated anywhere between two and 50 million people could die if a pandemic hits and the world is not prepared.

Pandemic threat

Even in the best-case scenario, two million to seven million people would die and tens of millions would require medical attention, WHO says.

Experts have used their knowledge about past pandemics, such as the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak.

DEEP....

[NOTTS1]

dont sound very nice......... :shook:

[ODS-1]

There was already a thread about this. The world is fucked.

[Weapon X]

It's them Chinese...horking everywhere they please. Nasty fucks are gonna kill us all.

[source]

i about to start pushin bird flu vaccine.

[InfiniteWisdomOfThePezDispenser]

Originally posted by skroez@Feb 28 2005, 07:06 AM
Even in the best-case scenario, two million to seven million people would die and tens of millions would require medical attention,
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typically in cases like this, it would be children and senior citizens that make up the majority of the deaths.

I know this is gonna sound harsh to some, but when I read stuff like this, natural population control sometimes comes to mind.

[ASER1NE]

I'll worry when im a bird .....

[CamAlmighty]

Heard somewhere this week that the virus is suspected of beginning to mutate as previously it could only be transferred from our feathered friends to us, but now there are cases where it appears to have been contracted from another human.

Wuh-oh.

Cam>>going shotgun shopping.

[itsallafarce]

Originally posted by InfiniteWisdomOfThePezDispenser+Feb 28 2005, 10:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (InfiniteWisdomOfThePezDispenser - Feb 28 2005, 10:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-skroez@Feb 28 2005, 07:06 AM
Even in the best-case scenario, two million to seven million people would die and tens of millions would require medical attention,
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typically in cases like this, it would be children and senior citizens that make up the majority of the deaths.

I know this is gonna sound harsh to some, but when I read stuff like this, natural population control sometimes comes to mind.
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indeed it does sound harsh but.....you aren't the only one to think that way....look at how many people the tsunami's wiped out.....it's a natural balance of sorts

[GoD5eNt]

Remember watching a report about this on CNN, crazy.

[Dr. Dazzle]

Fucking Asians......

[villain]

Half of yall got half the story straight and are sleeping on my thread of the same subject.

[ODS-1]

The 42-year-old construction materials salesman has just been released from Hanoi's Hospital for Tropical Diseases, where both he and his older brother were patients.

Hung is now back at home with his wife and children. But his brother Nguyen Hung Viet died from his illness.

Hung still does not know how they both contracted H5N1, the often deadly virus that causes the respiratory illness bid flu.

"I guess we both got it from the last meal we shared together," Hung said.

"I'd just got back to Thai Binh, where I'm originally from, to visit my brothers. They threw a welcoming dinner where we had our favourite dish, 'tiet canh', which is made with chopped congealed raw duck blood and herbs.

"The duck was plump and looking healthy, so we didn't have the slightest suspicion that it might be sick. Moreover, we were thinking chicken flu only exists in the south of the country," he said.

Just one day after the meal, Hung's eldest brother fell sick with a temperature.

But the family waited a whole week before they finally took him to hospital.


H5N1 BIRD FLU VIRUS
Principally an avian disease, first seen in humans in Hong Kong, 1997
Almost all human cases thought to be contracted from birds
Isolated cases of human-to-human transmission in Hong Kong and Vietnam, but none confirmed

Q&A: Bird flu

"It was New Year's Day. The hospital was running on minimal staffing and only got back to normal operating schedule three days afterwards. It was an unfortunate timing for him.

"At that point, my brother was already too weak. He couldn't breathe, his left lung was totally damaged.

"Yet the doctors didn't think he had bird flu, and his tests came back negative. So I didn't take any preventive measures while taking care of him. I spent days and nights next to his sick-bed, yet I didn't even bother with a mask," Hung said.

Hung's brother died on 10 January. Later on the same day, Hung developed a bad fever.

"I got really worried so the next day I went to a clinic where they took a scan of my lungs. The result came back not so good, and when I complained about difficulties in breathing they referred me to the same hospital where my brother was treated.

"In a way I was lucky that at that time, a number of people had died in the south of bird flu and the media was raising the alarm about this matter.



No wonder these people get bird flu. Raw ducks blood?

[GEEB]

50 million dying!? holy shit thats like a million people in each state in the usa dying. damn, i really need a respirator. and how many people are visiting the US from thailand? this isnt to be racist or anything but if any of them had bird flu alot of people would be screwed, i remember during the SARs scare people in my city were scared to get on the bus with chinese people, it was sad but as soon as somebody coughed on that bus i swear i held my breath and got the hell out of there. i feel bad for the people on the bus they were probley offended by me doing that, but hey its you or them, and im a "ME" kind a guy.

[villain]

hahaha....
if your gonna die your gonna die....

[heroin dart]

shit's fucked up !

[GnomeToys]

Originally posted by GEEB@Mar 10 2005, 02:01 AM
50 million dying!? holy shit thats like a million people in each state in the usa dying. damn, i really need a respirator. and how many people are visiting the US from thailand? Quoted post


If this happens it's going to be a lot more like 49,999,998 million in the asias and india dying and one 99 year old woman with AIDS and a canadian with terminal cancer dying of bird flu.

[mackfatsoe]

Originally posted by Dr. Dazzle@Mar 7 2005, 02:00 PM
Fucking Asians......
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...IS AWESOME!




but yeah, I'm learning about the avian flu in one of my classes. It's scary shit. Gnome Toys, that's not true. This shit will spread insanely if this flu strand genetically mutates and finds its way into the human population.

Or maybe it'll end up like the SARS "epidemic". Who knows...

[GnomeToys]

Originally posted by mackfatsoe+Mar 12 2005, 06:17 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mackfatsoe - Mar 12 2005, 06:17 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Dr. Dazzle@Mar 7 2005, 02:00 PM
Fucking Asians......
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...IS AWESOME!




but yeah, I'm learning about the avian flu in one of my classes. It's scary shit. Gnome Toys, that's not true. This shit will spread insanely if this flu strand genetically mutates and finds its way into the human population.

Or maybe it'll end up like the SARS "epidemic". Who knows...
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It will spread and mutate, but for the countries with developed health care systems it will end up like SARS. Massive possible problems like this are often covered by media to distract attention from massive current ones.

[mackfatsoe]

But with the flu, america creates a new flu virus every year based on a combination of about four different mutations of flu's that have come before. with the avian flu, the genetic make-up of the flu will be entirely new to the human body. therefore, no flu vaccine will be available for a long time if the avian flu reaches the human pop. even in a country like OOOSA.

"Massive possible problems like this are often covered by media to dstract attention from massive current ones."

^but i agree with this.

[ODS-1]

God damn those chinese fuck like rabbits. That's why it spreads. Too much fuckin, too little condoms.

I hate people.

[GnomeToys]

Originally posted by mackfatsoe@Mar 12 2005, 08:04 PM
But with the flu, america creates a new flu virus every year based on a combination of about four different mutations of flu's that have come before. with the avian flu, the genetic make-up of the flu will be entirely new to the human body. therefore, no flu vaccine will be available for a long time if the avian flu reaches the human pop. even in a country like OOOSA.

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Who needs a fucking vaccine though? It wasn't until recent years when anyone gave a damn about getting any kind of flu vaccine, and at first it was just the elderly and people with compromised immune systems. Now they're trying to convince EVERYONE that they should get a vaccine for an illness which really isn't that big of an ordeal in the first place.

What I'm getting at is that no one need worry except the old and weak, and even they won't be getting exposed to it on a large enough basis to matter. This kind of bullshit hits the news every couple of years and there is always a nationwide deathtoll less than 100....

[mackfatsoe]

okay. i guess the only reason im arguing with you is because my bioterrorism teacher seems to think avian flu could become a major threat to the human pop. extremely quickly, and he seems to know what hes talking about. i havent even seen anything about it in the news.

[ODS-1]

^^^What kind of school do you go to where you have a bioterrorism teacher?

[mackfatsoe]

HUGE college.

his area is microbiology, immunology, and molecular genetics.

but he teaches a class on bioterrorism.

[nologo]

Originally posted by CamAlmighty@Mar 2 2005, 06:01 AM
Heard somewhere this week that the virus is suspected of beginning to mutate as previously it could only be transferred from our feathered friends to us, but now there are cases where it appears to have been contracted from another human.

Wuh-oh.

Cam>>going shotgun shopping.
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:zombie:

[sleepyceas2-]

thats like TB as far as the mutating is concerned, i saw a documentary about russian prisons and how so much of the population has TB. the medicine they get works for a short time but then mutates and becomes immune so then that spreads and then theres no treatment for that.

wats really gonna fuck us in the long run is all of the anti bacterial this and that, eventually that shits gonna catch up. lets say seabass goes to the jawn and does the deed an washes his hands ( in the best case senerio) with anti soap. what bout his finger nails and inbetween his fingers that he missed.

its gonna catch up one day, it all is.

[westy]

Just nature trying to balance shit out: population control.

[TURBOCAPSLOK]

YEAH BUT WHO REMEMBERS THE SARS VIRUS. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MEGA KILLER THEN IT JUST DISAPPEARED. PROBLY THE SAME THING

[ODS-1]

Originally posted by westy@Mar 25 2005, 10:29 PM
Just nature trying to balance shit out: population control.
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You could have said that about the tsunami. It's funny how people can say shit like that and then when someone they know dies from it or they themselves get it they're all upset.

[nologo]

scares like these are always appearing, they hardly ever happen.
but the uk government is investing a lot of money in creating enough vaccines for the police, fire services etc. just in case it does.

Ken Livingstone (mayor of London) seems to think its a bigger threaght to the UK than terrorism... not so sure about that one.

[villain]

Bird flu has shown up in Turkey now, clear on the other side of asia, and there's been some reports of it in Romania.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...&sourceCode=gaw (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4949542&sourceCode=gaw)

influenza pandemics hit those with the strongest immune systems the worst due to an overreaction of the immune system, so that's basically everyone on here.
the 1918 pandemic killed 50 million people. The virus is very similar to the one we currently have.

[Biggus Dickus]

On one hand, I don't think anything will come of this, but on the other hand, I'm almost kind of hoping that 50 million people die and things turn into a Mad Max style post apocalyptic wasteland so I can grab my shotguns and steal a Harley and ride around with my dad shooting people in the face from point blank range.

It would seriously be fucking sweet.

[shai hulud]

http://home.teleport.com/~rasputin/ImageFiles/BeavisButthead.jpg

"Huh huh...yeah cool...FIRE! FIRE! Heh heh..."

[yum]

word gnometoys
if htis doesnt all blow over in a month or two then its just going to be the poor people in asia and middle east that die from it., caus if it ever does start spreading from human to human and looks like its going to turn into an outbreak theyll lock shit down in the west.

[villain]

Originally posted by yum@Oct 16 2005, 12:48 AM
word gnometoys
if htis doesnt all blow over in a month or two then its just going to be the poor people in asia and middle east that die from it., caus if it ever does start spreading from human to human and looks like its going to turn into an outbreak theyll lock shit down in the west.
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Are you kidding me? We have a flu vaccine shortage. And noone is even sure if a vaccine would help. You may have to already be taking the vaccine long before you get it.
There's a whole debate going on within this because India wants to manufacture their own generic version of the vaccine, and violate the patent (I forgot who holds the patent, a company in the US or Great Britain I think.). But honestly who gives a fuck about patents in lieu of a pandemic? Only greedy corporations.
And it already is spreading from human to human. It's just that they've managed to contain the outbreaks thus far. Since it is popping up in places like Turkey, and Romania, that's a sign that we are losing our ability to contain it, and it's surprising us now.
So no, it's not just going to be poor people who die... that's a poor attitude as well if I'm reading you right.

[GamblersGrin]

yall are fucking stupid.

Q. How do humans get infected?

It is rare for bird flu to infect humans. In the few cases where humans are infected, the virus is transmitted through close contact with infected chickens. You can only catch the bird flu virus if an infected chicken coughs or sneezes directly into your face, or if you breathe in particles from its droppings.

To date, the World Health Organization (WHO) has stated that there is no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

taken from here http://www.birdflu.gov.sg/FAQ.html
read this as well http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/134...id=134&nid=2599 (http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/134/2599/2005-10-13.asp?wid=134&nid=2599)

[Dawood]

Originally posted by Biggus Dickus@Oct 14 2005, 09:18 PM
On one hand, I don't think anything will come of this, but on the other hand, I'm almost kind of hoping that 50 million people die and things turn into a Mad Max style post apocalyptic wasteland so I can grab my shotguns and steal a Harley and ride around with my dad shooting people in the face from point blank range.

It would seriously be fucking sweet.
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You're a fruitcake! I'd ambush you.

[Dawood]

Originally posted by ODS-1@Mar 13 2005, 02:15 AM
God damn those chinese fuck like rabbits. That's why it spreads. Too much fuckin, too little condoms.

I hate people.
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In china the law is 1 child per couple. For obvious reasons I guess.

[Biggus Dickus]

Originally posted by Dawood+Oct 16 2005, 10:36 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dawood - Oct 16 2005, 10:36 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Biggus Dickus@Oct 14 2005, 09:18 PM
On one hand, I don't think anything will come of this, but on the other hand, I'm almost kind of hoping that 50 million people die and things turn into a Mad Max style post apocalyptic wasteland so I can grab my shotguns and steal a Harley and ride around with my dad shooting people in the face from point blank range.

It would seriously be fucking sweet.
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You're a fruitcake! I'd ambush you.
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Dude I got a feral australian child with a glove made from a bear's claw and a razor sharp boomerang to watch my back, you don't stand a chance.

[Dawood]

Originally posted by Biggus Dickus+Oct 16 2005, 07:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Biggus Dickus - Oct 16 2005, 07:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Dawood@Oct 16 2005, 10:36 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Biggus Dickus@Oct 14 2005, 09:18 PM
On one hand, I don't think anything will come of this, but on the other hand, I'm almost kind of hoping that 50 million people die and things turn into a Mad Max style post apocalyptic wasteland so I can grab my shotguns and steal a Harley and ride around with my dad shooting people in the face from point blank range.***

It would seriously be fucking sweet.
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You're a fruitcake! I'd ambush you.
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Dude I got a feral australian child with a glove made from a bear's claw and a razor sharp boomerang to watch my back, you don't stand a chance.
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Yo son! I'd sew up ya @$$hole tight ,son, right! and keep feedin' you and feedin' you and feedin you and feedin you....blowww like dat son!

[isor357]

yo. i was sippin a 40 at the park yesterday and a bird took a huge shit on my windshild.

[yum]

Originally posted by villain+Oct 17 2005, 01:41 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (villain - Oct 17 2005, 01:41 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-yum@Oct 16 2005, 12:48 AM
word gnometoys
if htis doesnt all blow over in a month or two then its just going to be the poor people in asia and middle east that die from it., caus if it ever does start spreading from human to human and looks like its going to turn into an outbreak theyll lock shit down in the west.
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Are you kidding me? We have a flu vaccine shortage. And noone is even sure if a vaccine would help. You may have to already be taking the vaccine long before you get it.
There's a whole debate going on within this because India wants to manufacture their own generic version of the vaccine, and violate the patent (I forgot who holds the patent, a company in the US or Great Britain I think.). But honestly who gives a fuck about patents in lieu of a pandemic? Only greedy corporations.
And it already is spreading from human to human. It's just that they've managed to contain the outbreaks thus far. Since it is popping up in places like Turkey, and Romania, that's a sign that we are losing our ability to contain it, and it's surprising us now.
So no, it's not just going to be poor people who die... that's a poor attitude as well if I'm reading you right.
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[/b][/quote]haaha no youre not reading me right if you think im sayign it doesnt matter if jsut poor people die, im sayign thats jsut how its gonna be

seriously this bird flu shit is just more bullshit to fill the news to keep people scared and if it does turn into a pandemic that kills millions of people ill eat my hat

[Dawood]

I was listening to the radio today and they said that if an outbreak were to happen it would be in 3rd world countries where the medical community wouldnt be equipped to fight it , and also where people live in close proximity to chickens regularly. Where the disease could mutate.
But yeah, sounds like another scare tactic to me.Theyre always trying to keep us anxious to dig in our pockets to ward off the next imminent threat to humanity that is going to wipe us out if we don't cough up that cheese. ya mean?

[KaBar2]

We almost had TB completely erradicated in the U.S. and then in the late '70s we started getting a lot more illegal immigration. The poor people from Latin American countries who do not get the bacille Calmette-Guerin vaccine that is commonly used in poorer, Third-World countries often catch tuberculosis (TB). (We don't use BCG here--it's effective, but it fucks up the PPD skin test for TB, and makes it impossible to separate those who have been exposed to the disease from those who have not.)

Anyone who has ever had the BCG vaccine will test positive on the PPD for the rest of his life, which causes endless hassles for immigrant kids trying to go to school. They have to be tested for TB to go to school. The BCG causes them to test (+), even though they are (-). Then they have to go get a chest x-ray to see if they have active TB.

The authorities in Third World countries have the right idea about vaccinations though. The Army comes to town and seals it off. They line up every single person, man, woman, child and babies, and give them all a shot of BCG, like it or not. A few get sick. A very few are allergic and die. Nobody who gets the shot gets TB, though. Yay! Everybody bitches piteously like a bunch of little girls about fascism and jackboots how unfair it all is. Meanwhile, their children are not dying of TB.

Poor people who catch TB usually have to treat themselves. They don't want to have to go to a TB hospital, so they hide from the authorities. They go to a farmacia and buy as much TB medicene like INH as they can afford. They get maybe a month's worth. It takes six months of daily INH tablets to defeat TB. After a couple of weeks, the TB symptoms go away. Yay! Juanito stops taking the INH when he runs out. A couple of months later, his symptoms return. Only this time, his TB is DRUG RESISTANT. He does the same thing again with the INH, but it doesn't work as well. He gets worried. He thinks "Maybe the norteamericanos have better pills." He goes to the border, and because he does not have the hope of a snowball in hell of getting in, he hires a coyote to sneak him across the border.
Once here in the U.S., he heads for the nearest big city with a hospital. On the way there, he stops at Kroger to buy a refreshing ethnic beverage from their pleasant ethnic foods section. You just happen to be there, picking up a six pack of chilly Coronas. "Cough, cough." Guess what? Now YOU have DRUG RESISTANT TUBERCULOSIS. Buena suerte, gringo!

Yes, restricted immigration is so cruel. Everybody just wants a chance to earn a living doing jobs Americans don't want at prices rich Americans find very reasonable. "Cough, cough." What a bargain illegal immigration is!

[Biggus Dickus]

THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATIVE STORY ABOUT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, BIRD FLU. I'LL BE SURE TO REMEMBER TO HATE IMMIGRANTS WHEN THE FIRST WAVE OF COUGHING CHINESE SNEAKS UNDER THE BIG FENCE BETWEEN THE USA AND CHINA AND THEY GIVE ME DRUG RESISTANT BIRD FLU WHILE I'M IN THE STORE BUYING SOME SOYA SAUCE.

[Weapon X]

^ word.

[John Birch]

you know if the US spent 1% of what it does on military shit, we could wipe out most diseases in 3rd world countries. Instead we prevent their access to inoculations and then people complain about it getting into america. To quote George Bush, we must be proactive to stop the threats...

[KaBar2]

Well, probably the reason the U.S. doesn't do that is the same reason UK, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Norway and all the rest of the western European nations don't, and that is: "Because we don't give a shit." I bet if poor Third World countries had enough money to buy expensive U.S. medications, we would be working overtime trying to get them the medications that they wanted.

But they don't.

But, I bet if all the American liberals just got together and lit one little candle in the darkness, and each sent $25,000 to the dictators-for-life that run those countries---they would never see a single penny of that money go anywhere but into the dictator's Swiss bank account. Because frankly, without any exaggeration whatsoever, nobody gives a shit if all those poor people die of bird flu, TB, malaria, AIDS or whatever. If the wealthy Western nations actually gave a shit, they would do something about it.

We can't even break the 65% innoculation-for-childhood-diseases rate here in the U.S., so how would we innoculate Southeast Asia or Africa for avian flu? We can't even get people in Central or South America to stop giving each other TUBERCULOSIS, which, as I stated above, is returning to the U.S. in pandemic proportions. I have two patients on my unit right now who are taking INH for TB. That's two, out of sixteen patients.

Many people are stupid, lazy, and selfish. Getting them to try to follow the rules of civilized society is just about impossible. They feel no sense of obligation to do what they are asked to do. They won't take their medication right. They won't stop drinking, or drugging, or coming into close contact with others. Basically, they don't give a shit either. So---they are going to have TB, or bird flu, or HIV or whatever because they feel entitled to do whatever the fuck they please.

Adios, unfortunate wasters.

[ODS-1]

Media scaretactics. I'll be scared when I start seeing this shit explode all over the place. Remembers how big of a deal SARS was supposed to be? Yeah.

[isor357]

so im listening to NPR 3 Turkish kids have died from birdflu very recently. THe fucked up part is... the reporter said these children were playing with "dead chickenheads" Dead chickenheads. WTF

[sillysiphilis]

kinda makes you think, doesn't it?
Like anyone one of us innocently playing with a dead chicken head could suddenly find ourselves dying of bird flu..

[imported_Tesseract]

Well it looks like turkey has been doing a TERRIBLE work in being cautious about the birdflu. 60 people are suspect of having it in instanbul...Bird flu is officially on the doorstep of Europe, great...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4594478.stm

[sillysiphilis]

DONT LET TURKEY IN THE EU
THEY FUCK WITH CHICKEN HEADS

[gasfacevictm]

Originally posted by Biggus Dickus@Oct 30 2005, 05:15 PM
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATIVE STORY ABOUT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, BIRD FLU. I'LL BE SURE TO REMEMBER TO HATE IMMIGRANTS WHEN THE FIRST WAVE OF COUGHING CHINESE SNEAKS UNDER THE BIG FENCE BETWEEN THE USA AND CHINA AND THEY GIVE ME DRUG RESISTANT BIRD FLU WHILE I'M IN THE STORE BUYING SOME SOYA SAUCE.
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whatever, whitey was the first shitbags over here spreading disease to the natives. no one ever remembers that shit. god i hate this country. remember your history children blah blah blah, but only the parts that benefit our regime!

[2342]

H5N1

Is anybody else concerned about this?

Is anyone actually preparing for this or do you all think it’s a bunch of made up propaganda – and/or one more thing the Bush administration is throwing out there for all of us to go running to either our doctors (for those who actually have heath insurance) to ask for a supply of Tamiflu http://www.tamiflu.com/ or our psychiatrists (again for those how have health insurance) asking for either a supply of Lorazepam or Ativan to calm our nerves.

Screw the patients. Viva la profits of the drug industry.

Either way- I see it as just one more way this administration can pump up the pharmaceutical industry as if we are not already a nation who is already riddled out from Ritalin.

Makes ya just want to hide under a nice big wool homeland security blanket- or maybe even a down feathered FEMA blanket- because we know we’ll be safe then.

Look after Katrina- I feel we are living in Screwyouland.


Here is some genuine information on the minute by minute take of the happenings of Bird Flu:
AVIAN INFLUENZA - WORLDWIDE (32): EUROPE, ASIA
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A ProMED-mail post
<http://www.promedmail.org>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases <http://www.isid.org>

In this update:
[1] Germany (Brandenburg), wild birds
[2] Romania
[3] India (Gujarat), poultry
[4] China (Anhui), poultry

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[1] Germany (Brandenburg), wild birds
Date: Sun 26 Feb 2006
From: Mary Marshall <tropical.forestry@btinternet.com>
Source: Reuters Alertnet, 25 Feb 2006 [edited] <http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L25617335.htm>


Bird flu found in 4th German state, near Poland
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A wild duck and a swan [species?!] found dead near the Polish border have
tested positive for bird flu, marking the apparent spread of the H5N1 virus
into a 4th state in Europe's biggest economy, officials said on Saturday
[25 Feb 2006]. The dead birds were found on the edge of Schwedt, a city
near the border of Poland, a spokesman for the agriculture ministry in the
eastern state Brandenburg said.

He said the ministry did not have confirmation yet that the birds had the
deadliest Asian strain of the H5N1 flu virus. "The probability that it is,
however, is high," the spokesman said. On Friday [24 Feb 2006], 2 dead
ducks were found to carry the dangerous strain of avian flu in the north
western state of Schleswig-Holstein, while another one tested positive in
the south western state of Baden-Wurttemberg.

Most of the birds killed by the virus, 114 altogether, were in the Baltic
coast state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, the majority on an island called Ruegen.

The bird flu found in all 3 states has been the deadly Asia form of the
virus, local and federal officials have said.

--
ProMED-mail
<promed@promedmail.org>

[The 4 affected German States (Lander) -- Mecklenburg-Vorpommern,
Schleswig-Holstein, Baden-Wurttemberg and Brandenburg -- are shown on the
map at <http://www.uni-flensburg.de/sesam/images/map%20of%20germany.gif>. -
Mod.AS]

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[2]
Date: 26 Feb 2006
From: Mary Marshall <tropical.forestry@btinternet.com>
Source: Reuters Alertnet [edited] <http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L26373137.htm>


Romania detects new suspected bird flu case in fowl
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Romania detected new suspected cases of bird flu in domestic fowl in a
village in the south east, but more tests were needed to see whether it was
the deadly H5N1 strain, authorities said on Sunday [26 Feb 2006].

Avian flu has been detected in 34 villages across the country and in a
small Black Sea resort since the virus was 1st found in the Danube Delta in
October 2005. Romania has not reported any cases in humans. "Veterinarians
detected suspected bird flu in the Topalu village in Constanta county," the
agriculture ministry said in a statement. Topalu is around 60 km (40 miles)
north east of the small Black Sea resort of Navodari, where bird flu was
confirmed last Sunday [19 Feb 2006]. It said all birds in the yard involved
had been culled, and samples were sent to a laboratory in Bucharest to
determine which strain it was. The ministry said there were 600 households
in Topalu, which have around 15 000 domestic birds.

The World Health Organization and local experts warned earlier this month
[February 2006] that Romania could see human cases of bird flu, because its
rural areas, where around 45 per cent of the 22 million population live,
lack proper water and sewerage systems.

The H5N1 virus remains difficult for humans to catch but has killed more
than 90 people worldwide, and experts fear it can mutate into a form that
spreads easily among people.

******
[3] India (Gujarat), poultry
Date: Sun 26 Feb 2006
From: Mary Marshall <tropical.forestry@btinternet.com>
Source: AP via Hindu.com, 25 Feb 2006 [edited] <http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200602251217.htm>


H5N1 strain of bird flu confirmed at Gujarat poultry farm
---------------------------------------------------------
At least 2 chickens found dead at a poultry farm in India's western Gujarat
state were infected with the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu, government
officials said on Saturday [25 Feb 2006]. The birds were discovered at the
National Poultry Farm in the Utchal area of Gujarat, the region's
administrator, Vatsala Vasudev, told the Associated Press. She said
officials were meeting to discuss the next steps, including the possibility
of culling all birds at the farm and sealing off the area.

The head of Gujarat's Department of Animal Husbandry, DK Rao, separately
said the bird flu infections had been confirmed by tests in a federal
laboratory. Rao is on the state government's 4-member panel formed to
prevent bird flu cases in Gujarat.

Gujarat is located next to [north west of] Maharashtra, where an outbreak
of bird flu last week prompted the culling of hundreds of thousands of
birds. [map: <http://sunsite.tus.ac.jp/asia/india/maps/indiamap.gif>].

No human cases of H5N1 have been reported in either state.

On Friday [24 Feb 2006], the Health Ministry said tests on 9 people
suspected of having bird flu in Maharashtra's Navapur region showed no
signs of the deadly disease. "No human being has been infected in India,
but we are careful and will take all precautions," PK Hota, federal health
secretary, said.

The H5N1 strain of bird flu virus has devastated poultry stocks and killed
at least 92 people, mostly in Asia, since 2003, according to WHO. Most
human cases of the disease have been linked to contact with infected birds.
But scientists fear the virus could mutate into a form that is easily
transmitted between humans, possibly sparking a pandemic.

Some 200 000 chickens and domestic birds have been culled in India since 19
Feb 2006.

******
[4] China (Anhui), poultry
Date: Sun 26 Feb 2006
From: ProMED-mail <promed@promedmail.org>
Source: FIC, China, 25 Feb 2006 [edited] <http://www.flu.org.cn/newsparticular.asp?link_id=1112>


China: H5N1 found in dead chickens in Anhui
-------------------------------------------
On 22 Feb 2006, an expert team from MOA together with the Anhui Vet
department found that 13 chickens had died in Yinshang County of Fuyang
City, Anhui Province. [map: <http://www.world-gazetteer.com/maps/m_54.png>].

The National Reference Lab has confirmed the positive isolation of H5N1
HPAIV from samples from 4 of the dead chickens.

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[The VLA avian influenza reference laboratory at Weybridge confirmed, on 25
Feb 2006, the HPAI H5N1 subtype in swans from Bosnia-Herzegovina and from
Slovakia, received on 22 and 23 Feb 2006, respectively. The swans' species
was not specified.

Croatia said on Sat 25 Feb 2006 that it had found its 2nd case this week of
avian flu in swans. The H5 virus was isolated from a swan found dead near
the coastal town of Trogir in the southern Adriatic (43.53 N, 16.25 E,
within Split-Dalmacija; map at
<http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=1140952310&men=gmap&lng=en&dat=32&geo=-98&srt=npan&col=aohdq>)
near the sparsely populated island of Ciovo, where the lethal H5N1 strain
of the virus was reported in a dead swan earlier the same week. Final
typing is anticipated. Croatia reported its 1st bird flu case in October
2005, when H5N1 was found in 6 wild swans on a fish pond in eastern
Croatia. - Mod.AS]

[see also:
Avian influenza - worldwide (31): Europe, Asia 20060225.0617 Avian influenza - worldwide (30): Europe, Asia, Africa 20060224.0600 Avian influenza - worldwide (29): Europe, Asia, Africa 20060223.0589 Avian influenza - worldwide (28): Europe, Asia, Africa 20060222.0569 Avian influenza - worldwide (27): Europe, Asia, Africa 20060221.0565 Avian influenza - worldwide (25): Europe, Asia, OIE 20060220.0558 Avian influenza - worldwide (24): Europe, Asia, Africa 20060220.0550 Avian influenza - worldwide (23): Europe, Asia, Africa 20060219.0541 Avian influenza - worldwide (22): Europe, Asia, Africa 20060218.0526 Avian influenza - worldwide (17): Hungary 20060215.0495 Avian influenza - worldwide (16): Austria, suspected 20060214.0486 Avian influenza - worldwide (16): Asia, Europe, Africa 20060214.0489 Avian influenza - worldwide (14): Europe, Africa 20060213.0478 Avian influenza - worldwide (11): Europe 20060212.0466 Avian influenza - worldwide (10): Nigeria, Greece,... 20060211.0461 Avian influenza - Worldwide (07): International Re... 20060211.0451]

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AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN - WORLDWIDE (18): IRAQ
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Date: Tue 28 Feb 2006
From: A-Lan Banks <A-Lan.Banks@thomson.com>
Source: Reuters Foundation AlertNet, Tue 28 Feb 2006 [edited] <http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IBO854718.htm>

Iraq said on Tuesday [28 Feb 2006] it was making checks for 3 suspected
human cases of bird flu in Baghdad and one in the north eastern province of
Dayala. "There are 3 suspected cases in Baghdad and one in the town of
Kefry, in Dayala," said Ibtisam Aziz, head of a Health Ministry task force
charged with monitoring the disease. "All these cases are under observation
now by the Health Ministry."

Previously 2 fatal cases of human bird flu -- a teenage girl and her uncle
in January 2006 -- have been confirmed in the northern province of
Sulaimaniya, close to the border with Turkey.

--
A-Lan Banks
<A-Lan.Banks@thomson.com>

[A composite map of Iraq can be accessed at
<http://www.mideastweb.org/miraqd.htm>]

[see also:
Avian influenza, human - worldwide (17): Asia 20060227.0642 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (16): Asia 20060226.0621 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (15): S.Korea, Malaysia 20060224.0603 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (14): India, susp. 20060223.0591 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (13): India, Malaysia, Nigeria
20060222.0575
Avian influenza, human - worldwide (12): Egypt, India 20060221.0566 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (11): Indonesia 20060220.0554 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (10): Iraq, India 20060219.0547 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (09) 20060218.0534. Avian influenza, human - worldwide (08): Iraq 20060217.0520 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (07): genetic risk? 20060216.0512 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (06): Indonesia 20060215.0498 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (05) 20060214.0490 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (04) 20060213.0477 Avian influenza, human - worldwide (03) 20060212.0468 Avian influenza, human - Worldwide (02) 20060211.0463 Avian influenza, human - Worldwide (01) 20060209.0433]

[Scarekroe]

Originally posted by InfiniteWisdomOfThePezDispenser+Feb 28 2005, 10:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (InfiniteWisdomOfThePezDispenser - Feb 28 2005, 10:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-skroez@Feb 28 2005, 07:06 AM
Even in the best-case scenario, two million to seven million people would die and tens of millions would require medical attention,
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typically in cases like this, it would be children and senior citizens that make up the majority of the deaths.

I know this is gonna sound harsh to some, but when I read stuff like this, natural population control sometimes comes to mind.
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]


Would you say that if your own family/loved-ones were part of the deaths in the pandemic? Would you say it was just "natural population control" at their funerals?

[2342]

Originally posted by Scarekroe+Mar 1 2006, 09:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarekroe - Mar 1 2006, 09:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by InfiniteWisdomOfThePezDispenser@Feb 28 2005, 10:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-skroez@Feb 28 2005, 07:06 AM
Even in the best-case scenario, two million to seven million people would die and tens of millions would require medical attention,
Quoted post


typically in cases like this, it would be children and senior citizens that make up the majority of the deaths.

I know this is gonna sound harsh to some, but when I read stuff like this, natural population control sometimes comes to mind.
Quoted post



Would you say that if your own family/loved-ones were part of the deaths in the pandemic? Would you say it was just "natural population control" at their funerals?
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

Actually- in this case you are incorrect. The H5N1 virus attacks people from their 20’s to 40�s who are or try to be in good to excellent health.

VULNERABLE SECTORS. Health-care officials predict that an H5N1 pandemic would likely hit the most economically productive age group -- those people between 20 and 40 -- the hardest.

[2342]

http://www.buynanomask.com/index.php

[Soup]

Originally posted by 2342@Mar 1 2006, 06:56 PM
http://www.buynanomask.com/index.php
Quoted post


I could cry.

[2342]

Originally posted by Soup+Mar 2 2006, 02:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Soup - Mar 2 2006, 02:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-2342@Mar 1 2006, 06:56 PM
http://www.buynanomask.com/index.php
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I could cry.
Quoted post
[/b][/quote]

Quick - who used to be chairman of Gilead Sciences, the company that invented the bird flu drug Tamiflu?



Give up?



The answer: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, of course.



It’s enough to get you thinking there’s some kind of conspiracy happening, and inevitably that’s what some people have been thinking.

[2342]

The news regarding Bird Flu is getting more unfuckingbelievable by the day or minute- depending on how you look at it. The pharmaceutical companies will be the ONLY winners here- as usual.

Chemotherapy treatment suggested for bird flu patients
02 Mar 2006 00:00:38 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Patricia Reaney

LONDON, March 2 (Reuters) - A chemotherapy treatment given to patients with an immune system disorder may work for human avian influenza, but it has not been tested in patients, researchers said on Thursday.
Dr Jan-Inge Henter of the Karolinska Hospital in Stockholm said at the moment it was a theory.
But he and colleagues in Hong Kong believe chemotherapy treatment could work because of the similarities between human infection with H5N1 bird flu and an illness known as haemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis (HLH).
"Since the mortality from H5N1 infection is high, and since there is concern that the virus could cause a pandemic, novel treatments for human beings are warranted," Henter said in his hypothesis, published online by The Lancet medical journal.
The H5N1 bird flu virus, which has spread from Asia to birds in Europe, the Middle East and Africa, has killed 94 people since 2003. Global health experts fear the virus could mutate into a pandemic strain capable of killing millions of people.
Henter said human infection with H5N1 produces similar symptoms to people suffering from HLH, an illness that produces too many white blood cells which can accumulate in healthy tissue and cause organ damage and death.
HLH can be inherited or can develop after a severe infection by a virus such as Epstein-Barr.
Children with the inherited form of HLH usually died until Henter and other scientists developed the chemotherapy treatment in 1994. Henter said the treatment had reduced deaths in children and had produced similar results in people with the secondary form of disorder.
"Now we know that HLH also occurs in patients with avian flu," Henter explained in an interview.
"There are clinical similarities and similarities at autopsy. So why shouldn't one use a treatment that has been successful in other forms of HLH induced by viruses?" he asked.
The chemotherapy drug etoposide, which helps to kill excess immune cells, is the basis for the treatment for HLH which the scientists believe should be tested on patients with the H5N1 virus.
The treatment is usually given for 8 weeks. Henter said there is risk involved in the treatment but it has improved survival in patients. Side effects can include low blood count and moderate nausea.
"I think it is reasonable to consider this in the medical community. It is reasonable to discuss whether one could initiate a clinical study," said Henter.
He added that he would welcome the World Health Organisation to consider a platform for doing clinical trails of the treatment for human cases of bird flu.
:huh2:

[villain]

Bird flu is not a conspiracy I don't think, Tamiflu, however may be. How do you get the entire world to go along with birdflu to line the pockets (supposedly) of Gilead Sciences, Rumsfeld and cohorts? I didn't know about that connection, it IS a curious one.
Rather the vaccine, Tamiflu, may probably be artificially in shortage, keeping prices and demand for it high.
I think the threat of birdflu is all too real, and the only country that seems to be sitting on it's laurels is the US.... perhaps banking on it's admittedly short tamiflu stocks. And heavily invested in the war in Iraq rather than disaster preparedness.
Just like I believe, hey, aids is NOT a conspiracy, but there are plenty of conspiracies involving aids.

[2342]

Originally posted by villain@Mar 2 2006, 10:59 AM
Bird flu is not a conspiracy I don't think, Tamiflu, however may be. How do you get the entire world to go along with birdflu to line the pockets (supposedly) of Gilead Sciences, Rumsfeld and cohorts? I didn't know about that connection, it IS a curious one.
Rather the vaccine, Tamiflu, may probably be artificially in shortage, keeping prices and demand for it high.
I think the threat of birdflu is all too real, and the only country that seems to be sitting on it's laurels is the US.... perhaps banking on it's admittedly short tamiflu stocks. And heavily invested in the war in Iraq rather than disaster preparedness.
Just like I believe, hey, aids is NOT a conspiracy, but there are plenty of conspiracies involving aids.
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Villian- Don’t go down the stony path of AIDS with me- until you get yourself on a plane head for Africa- and spend a few years there as a (human) or as journalist- which I have done. I spent a total of 15 years in the Mid East- Russia- and Africa doing research on war- disease and xenophobia. I came away with first hand knowledge- something that you cant get anywhere else.

Sure there are conspiracies surrounding or involving AIDS and HIV. I truly believe we are a nation surrounded by – and -are currently witnessing several conspiracies right now regarding too many topics to list here.

Have you read or heard of The River by Edward Hooper? Of course the book itself is over 1000 pages of irrefutable evidence that a contaminated oral polio vaccine was initially what caused the disease we now know as AIDS. There is also a well done documentary on the book incase 1000 pages is too much.

Honestly I have not studied Bird Flu to know that much about it- except what I have read in Medical Journals and such. A friend of mine just hopped a plane to India yesterday because she is amongst a team of scientists who are currently studying Avian Flu.

As far as this Bird Flu being a conspiracy- by the Bush Cronies I tell you- honestly I would not buy into it- until I studied the work of Edward Hooper. I was nothing short of being mortified- honestly. Normally I would honestly like to believe that this current administration is too stupid to pull off any conspiracy regardless of subject we envisage- from 9/11 to AIDS, Vietnam, the first Gulf war, and now the second.

I spent a lot of time in Africa studying this subject- “they� can’t all be lying – now can they? Seriously? Now this is off topic- but I feel it is worth a read.
Anyway- here is a synopsis or a folio from The River:

The dirty side of the origin-of-AIDS debate
Ed Hooper, 22 February, 2004
In 1999, when my book The River was published, considerable publicity was given to the theory that AIDS might have arisen as a result of a contaminated oral polio vaccine (OPV) called CHAT, which was fed to roughly a million persons in central Africa between 1957 and 1960.
Those who had been involved with preparing and administering the vaccine were alarmed, as were many other senior scientists in Europe and America, some of whom considered that if the theory was proved correct, it could shake public confidence in all vaccinations, and could lead to very substantial class action law suits.
A meeting was staged at the Royal Society in London in September 2000, to investigate the OPV hypothesis, but it did not take place on a level playing-field. Largely as a result of the bias shown by conference organizer Robin Weiss, the theory was not fairly examined, and flawed and irrelevant evidence was presented as if it disproved the theory.
Some months later, the journals Nature and Science completed the job, by simultaneously publishing commentaries in which it was claimed that the theory had been "destroyed" by hard scientific evidence. The impression gained by most people was that eminent scientists had disposed of another controversial hypothesis.
In reality, nothing could be further from the truth. Every single "disproof" of the OPV theory has since been revealed as either erroneous, or flawed.
The grandees of Science (including representatives of the two major scientific journals) have quite cynically twisted the evidence to achieve not scientific truth, but a politically acceptable result. A whitewash, in short.
In the course of this process, many scientists have behaved with a conspicuous lack of integrity. And many, quite simply, have lied.
For four years now, these scientists have managed to keep a lid on the "ugly theory", as Robin Weiss likes to call it.
Meanwhile, however, a growing number of scientists have been revealing the shortcomings in the alleged "disproof’s" of the OPV theory.
I also have been busy, having discovered new and crucial evidence that was missing from "The River".
In essence, it is this. The CHAT vaccine that was fed in central Africa was not prepared in the US, as has been widely claimed, but in the Belgian Congo, and it was made in the cells of chimpanzees. (Chimps are host to the SIV, or simian immunodeficiency virus, that is the direct ancestor of the AIDS virus, HIV-1.)
Some of the testimonial evidence supporting this claim features in a major new television documentary called "The Origins of AIDS", which is due to be shown in a dozen countries around the world, mostly in a 90-minute version. Those who have lied about the OPV theory for so long are now extremely rattled, for a large new population is about to become acquainted with the evidence.
I believe that this is an appropriate moment to post some new articles on this web-site. These articles place on the record certain important details about the debate which are not widely known. They will reveal some of the untruths, spin and misinformation that have been disseminated by certain scientists, including some who are regarded as eminent members of that profession.
This new material has significant implications. Not only does it reveal how the worst pandemic in world history almost certainly began. It also reveals that when people have a lot of money and power and a great deal to lose, they sometimes resort to covering up, rather than owning up.
This is how the cover-up has been organized.
End Article.

Now Villain- if you- or anyone else for that matter buys into something- “this big� as the above theory then why couldn’t say the Bird Flu be happening for the interest of say- the – Pharmaceutical industries interest? Or Rumsfeld's retirement fund? God knows our retirement fund or Social Security won’t be there for us- maybe Rumsfeld is just being Ubber Smart and preparing?

Anyone? Opinions? Lets be intellectual this time- instead of accusing me of simply being “on crack.� Not that -that’s a bad thing folks…….

http://www.aidsorigins.com/

[2342]

AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN - WORLDWIDE (21): INDONESIA
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Date: Fri 3 Mar 2006
From: "Mary Marshall" <tropical.forestry@btinternet.com>
Source: The Jakarta Post, Antara, Fri 3 Mar 2006 [edited] <http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20060303.A04>


Indonesia: suspected human avian influenza cases increase across country
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Suspected avian influenza cases are being detected in the country at an
alarming rate, with more people falling sick in Surakarta in Central Java,
Madiun and Malang in East Java, and Batam in Riau Islands province.

A 12 year old girl suspected of having contracted avian influenza died on
Wed night [1 Mar 2006] after being treated at the Moewardi Hospital in
Surakarta. Her body has been sent to her hometown in Boyolali, Central
Java, for burial, hospital director Mardiatmo told Antara. Blood tests for
the victim have been sent to a Jakarta laboratory for confirmation.

Another seriously ill suspected avian influenza patient is being treated in
isolation at the hospital. "Clinical symptoms, including coughing and a
high fever, indicate that he is bird flu-positive. The patient also used to
live near large-scale quail breeding centers," Tri Lastiti, the deputy
director of the hospital, told The Jakarta Post. The 31 year old man was
believed to have been infected by the carcasses of dead birds, which had
been dumped in the area during the past month. "Thousands of quail died
every day and their remains were just thrown away into a nearby river," the
man's wife said.

In Bandung, the number of suspected bird flu patients rose by 11 to 66 as
of Wed 1 Mar 2006. The latest patient was admitted to the city's Hasan
Sadikin Hospital on Wednesday.

In Madiun, East Java, the condition of a 12 year old patient from Singkil
village, Ponorogo, who is believed to be infected with the virus, remained
serious. "The patient is still in intensive care by our team of doctors,
and cannot be visited yet," a hospital spokesman said on Thu 2 Mar 2006. A
sample of the patient's blood has been sent to Jakarta for testing and the
results would be available within a week, the spokesman said.

In Malang, a 7 year old boy was admitted to the intensive care unit at the
Saiful Anwar Hospital with suspected avian influenza symptoms. However,
Gatoet Ismanoe, a doctor of the hospital, said the boy, who had earlier
been treated at the Muhammad Saleh Hospital in Probolinggo, was still under
observation to determine his illness.

(byline: Wahyoe B Wardhana and Fadli)

[2342]

AVIAN INFLUENZA, POULTRY VS MIGRATORY BIRDS (06)
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Date: 2 Mar 2006
From: Mary Marshall <tropical.forestry@btinternet.com>
Source: Reuters [edited] <http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L02497813.htm>


Nigeria suspects that illegal poultry imports were to blame for introducing
deadly bird flu to Africa's most populous country, the information minister
said on Thursday. The virus known as H5N1 has spread to 7 of the country's
36 states and the capital city since it was first detected in northern
Nigeria on 8 Feb, but 90 per cent of infected farms bought day-old chicks
from one farm in Kano state, minister Frank Nweke said.

"There is a very strong basis to believe that avian flu may have been
introduced into Nigeria through illegally imported day-old chicks," he
said. "Further investigations into the activities of farms where birds have
tested positive to the highly pathogenic avian flu revealed that 90 per
cent of them patronised the Sovet Farms Ltd in Kano."

Customs agents impounded almost 200 smuggled cartons of hatching eggs at
the country's main international airport in Lagos in January 2006, he added.

Agriculture Minister Adamu Bello had originally blamed illegal imports for
the bird flu outbreak, which has led to the destruction of 450 000 birds
and deaths of thousands more, but he later pointed to migrating wild birds
as the source.

Niger, an impoverished, landlocked country which borders Nigeria to the
north, has also found the deadly bird flu in poultry, and Nweke said
Nigeria would send experts next week to help deal with the outbreak there.

Experts want to determine how the virus entered Nigeria, the first
infection in the world's poorest continent, to better stop it spreading
further. Many African countries have already slapped import bans on
Nigerian poultry.

Nigerian authorities have imposed quarantines on infected farms and ordered
culling, but the measures have been only partially observed on the ground.
Nweke said the government would begin paying compensation to farmers
affected by culling on Monday.

The government knows of no humans in Nigeria infected with the virus, which
has been spreading west from Asia for 3 years and has killed 94 people in 7
countries.

UN Food and Agriculture Organisation experts have said that, unless it can
be controlled, the H5N1 outbreak in Nigeria could cause a regional
disaster. They say that Africa, the world's poorest continent, where
millions live with domestic poultry in their homes and backyards, is
ill-equipped in terms of health resources and funds to combat the disease.

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damn..

[villain]

2342- I've heard of the OPV theory before. When I said "AIDS is NOT a conspiracy" what I meant was that AIDS actually exists, addressing people who, incredibly, believe that AIDS is actually not real.

I just heard about this recently, but you may be interested to know that a one Dr. Szasz writes about a curious cross section of psychiatry, religion, and the CIA.

[2342]

Originally posted by KaBar2@Oct 30 2005, 03:04 AM
We almost had TB completely erradicated in the U.S. and then in the late '70s we started getting a lot more illegal immigration. The poor people from Latin American countries who do not get the bacille Calmette-Guerin vaccine that is commonly used in poorer, Third-World countries often catch tuberculosis (TB). (We don't use BCG here--it's effective, but it fucks up the PPD skin test for TB, and makes it impossible to separate those who have been exposed to the disease from those who have not.)

Anyone who has ever had the BCG vaccine will test positive on the PPD for the rest of his life, which causes endless hassles for immigrant kids trying to go to school. They have to be tested for TB to go to school. The BCG causes them to test (+), even though they are (-). Then they have to go get a chest x-ray to see if they have active TB.

The authorities in Third World countries have the right idea about vaccinations though. The Army comes to town and seals it off. They line up every single person, man, woman, child and babies, and give them all a shot of BCG, like it or not. A few get sick. A very few are allergic and die. Nobody who gets the shot gets TB, though. Yay! Everybody bitches piteously like a bunch of little girls about fascism and jackboots how unfair it all is. Meanwhile, their children are not dying of TB.

Poor people who catch TB usually have to treat themselves. They don't want to have to go to a TB hospital, so they hide from the authorities. They go to a farmacia and buy as much TB medicene like INH as they can afford. They get maybe a month's worth. It takes six months of daily INH tablets to defeat TB. After a couple of weeks, the TB symptoms go away. Yay! Juanito stops taking the INH when he runs out. A couple of months later, his symptoms return. Only this time, his TB is DRUG RESISTANT. He does the same thing again with the INH, but it doesn't work as well. He gets worried. He thinks "Maybe the norteamericanos have better pills." He goes to the border, and because he does not have the hope of a snowball in hell of getting in, he hires a coyote to sneak him across the border.
Once here in the U.S., he heads for the nearest big city with a hospital. On the way there, he stops at Kroger to buy a refreshing ethnic beverage from their pleasant ethnic foods section. You just happen to be there, picking up a six pack of chilly Coronas. "Cough, cough." Guess what? Now YOU have DRUG RESISTANT TUBERCULOSIS. Buena suerte, gringo!

Yes, restricted immigration is so cruel. Everybody just wants a chance to earn a living doing jobs Americans don't want at prices rich Americans find very reasonable. "Cough, cough." What a bargain illegal immigration is!
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KaBar2,

While you are sittin on your ass worried about bird flu- and our boarder safety- just remember that Donald Rumsfeld used to be chairman of Gilead Sciences, the company that invented the bird flu drug Tamiflu? Apparently he is planning his retirement the smart way.

White Phosphorous, Daisy cutters, Depleted Uranium, Thermo baric bombs, Cluster bombs, Napalm.

When I read your post- I can say the only thing that impressed me was the fact that you are absolutely correct on how “deadly strains� grow even more deadly when you don’t take your prescription of antiviral- or antibiotics –correctly -hence the reason your doctors emphasize the fact that when you are given a prescription of Antibiotics-etc - finish the entire prescription as directed- or the condition will come back- and it will be a virulent strain that is most likely drug resistant depending your OWN health history.

As for your statements on illegal immigration- and the spread of disease. I am not even sure I should waste my time- but I am bored at the moment.

Have you yourself ever been outside the US?
Have you seen some of things we as – America have special delivered down the throats of foreigners against their will?

Before you make assumptions about me- let me set the record straight I spent a total of 15 years in the Mid East- Russia- and Africa doing research on war- disease and xenophobia- so I know what I am talking about. I spent a total of 3 years in Iraq- actually more than that going back and forth.

The foreigners that I am going to reference did NOT even have to leave their own bloody house to stand in an aisle of a Krogers to get diseased- by the USA.

If you have been outside the US- and I am not talking about the usual drunken vacation spots either- have you ever explored outside the US and attempted to learn something beyond fair and balanced TV or Tijuana, the Bahamas- or are you one of “those� who never leaves the US?

America's been using white phosphorous, cluster bombs and napalm in Iraq since April 2003. The United Nations banned the use of napalm against civilians in 1980... The United States, which didn't endorse the convention, is the only nation in the world still using napal
Bullets, shells and missiles tipped with radioactive depleted uranium made every weapon in Iraq's arsenal obsolete. The higher weight of DU shells allows American tanks to shoot twice as far, giving them a range of two miles.

During the [1991] Desert Storm terror campaign at least 944,000 rounds of DU ammo were fired from American A-10 Warthogs all over Iraq and Kuwait. The A-10 is an aircraft built around a 30mm, 7-barrel battling gun that can spew 3900 rounds per minute.
When depleted uranium tipped shell strikes a tank or armored personnel carrier it easily penetrates the armor and burns the crew alive. The impact also vaporizes the depleted uranium, creating an aerosol of radioactive heavy-metal particles which can spread as far as 190 miles on the wind.

When inhaled or ingested, the depleted uranium particles cause chemical and radioactive damage to the bronchial tree, kidneys, liver and bones. Cancer often results, and the effects can even include genetic damage.

The Dutch Laka Foundation estimates that the United States terror campaign left behind 300-800 tons of radioactive waste from this [depleted uranium] ammunition all over Kuwait and Iraq — poisoning the air, the land, the water and the people everywhere.
Afterwards, wherever the depleted uranium firing had been concentrated, there were cancer epidemics among Iraqi civilians living nearby. In the ten years since then, sanctions, polluted water and depleted uranium together have killed somewhere between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 Iraqi civilian people. At least 600,000 of the dead are children. Cancer rates have quadrupled in areas of southern Iraq bombed by the American and British state.

Scientists believe respiratory irritation caused by sand storms, oil fires, and concentrated vehicle fumes during Operation Desert Storm weakened the blood/brain barrier and allowed DU to enter the central nervous system of soldiers in the field resulting in slowly developing neurotoxic responses. Their brains, in effect, were slowly poisoned.
The brain is a 'target organ' for dissolved uranium. Tests on some Desert Storm vets show lowered ability to think and solve problems, as well as lowered motor skills in subjects with above average uranium levels.

During the latest operations in both Afghanistan and Iraq, American and British tanks fired thousands of depleted uranium armor penetrates. American A-10 and AV-8B aircraft shot hundreds of thousands of small caliber depleted uranium rounds.
Many troops in Iraq are being exposed to some level of DU, and the exposure this time may be far more long-term. The longer troops stay in theater if they are in a contaminated area, the more exposure they will have. DU is also toxic to the kidneys, and is known to cause cancer from inhalation. It is reasonable to assume that neither skin exposure nor swallowing particles of DU is wise.

The exposure to DU combined with the exposure to extensive combustion products from oil fires and blowing sand from the desert environment, however, is unique and the extent of exposure to respiratory irritants during this war was probably greater than in previous wars. These exposures for some soldiers may be more intense and more sustained now than they were in 1991.
And I am only referring to these two wars- I am not even going to go into the hundreds of other battles- long and short where we used White Phosphorous, Daisy cutters, Depleted Uranium, Thermo baric bombs, Cluster bombs, and Napalm.

Having traveled as much as I have- I just have one last thing to say- If you think our Health system is bad- (which maybe you- yourself don’t- maybe you are fortunate enough to have a job- which brings excellent health coverage and happiness to all) you should spend so time in the countries our military has been to and check out their health systems.

Then again- I am assuming a lot about you- are you or have you ever been in the military? Have you fought for our country- or are you just sitting back on your fair and balanced couch drinking a 40 yakking your mouth off about our boarders and illegal immigration being to blame for disease?

Oh- and with all of the above said- Bird flu is spreading in Iraq as well- to people. Imagine the fact that one of our own troops could very well bring it home to America- then what?

AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN - WORLDWIDE (20): ASIA
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In this update:
[1] Indonesia - 2 more suspected human cases
[2] Iraq - 2 more suspected human cases[
4] Pakistan - suspected human case

[2342]

As if we don’t have enough Scheiss to bloody worry about….

AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN (104): THAILAND, SUSPECTED
Date: Sun 30 Jul 2006

Thailand: More Suspected Human Cases of Avian Influenza
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Five new patients in the bird flu red zones of Phitsanulok and
Phichit, Thailand are suspected of having caught the H5N1 virus. The
Thai Public Health Ministry stated the number of suspected cases has
been pushed to 44, all of which are awaiting laboratory test results,
the Bangkok Post has reported.

The 5 new patients all showed signs of influenza and all had direct
contact with chickens in areas where mass chicken deaths have been
reported, the newspaper said. A 42-year-old woman and a 4-year-old
girl both fell ill after they touched dead chicken carcasses at their
homes in Phichit, where mysterious mass chicken deaths have occurred.

Five other provinces are said to be vulnerable to bird flu, including
Sukhothai, Uttaradit, Suphan Buri and Nakhon Pathom. Officials in
those zones have been urged to follow procedures to prevent the
spread of the disease.

ProMED-mail continues to receive reports of suspected human cases of
H5N1 avian influenza virus infection in Thailand, mostly but not
exclusively from the province of Phichit. According to this report,
as of 29 Jul 2006, the number of suspected but unconfirmed cases has
reached 44. So far, only a single case has been confirmed, a
17-year-old youth residing in the province of Phichit, one of the
"red zone provinces;" see: ProMED-mail post "Avian influenza, human
(103): Thailand, susp. 20060728.2093." This youth tested positive for
both dengue and H5N1 avian influenza virus infection. It is not clear
at this stage whether the youth's dengue virus infection status
affected his susceptibility and response to H5N1 avian influenza
virus infection.

The Thai Ministry of Health maintains a section on avian influenza
on their website. In this section they list information on the
number of individuals under observation for possible avian influenza,
and the number of suspected and confirmed cases. According to the
most recent update (29 Jun 2006 available at
<http://thaigcd.ddc.moph.go.th/AI_case_report_060729.html>) there has
been one confirmed case, there are presently no suspected cases, but
there are presently 80 cases "under observation", with a cumulative
total of 1915 cases from 67 provinces that have been "under
observation" for avian influenza since Jan 2006. The newswires seem
to be jumping on local reports of cases under observation and
publishing them as though they were strongly suspected to be cases of
H5N1, only to be ruled out once the laboratory results are available.
While the Agricultural sector in Thailand has had significant
problems with reporting of suspected avian influenza, the human
health sector has apparently been more successful in most (albeit not
all) instances.

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/promed/f?p=2400:1000

[yumone]

i always assumed bird flue was just some bullshit they pull out to scare you when its a slow news day

[2342]

:confused: August 15, 2006

2 Michigan Swans Seem Infected With Nonlethal Avian Flu Strain
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.

Two swans in Michigan appear to have been infected with an avian flu of the A(H5N1) type, government agricultural officials announced yesterday, but the virus is not the same lethal strain that has killed millions of birds and 139 people in Asia and the Middle East.

Although final tests will take two more weeks, officials said, the virus appears to be a strain that was found in ducks in Canada one year ago and in the United States in wild ducks in 1986 and 1975. While it is an H5N1 flu, it is a “low pathogenicity” strain, meaning it does not kill birds and has never been known to infect humans.

“This is not the highly pathogenic avian influenza virus that has spread through other parts of the world,” said Dr. Ron DeHaven, chief of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service at the Agriculture Department. “We do not believe that it represents a risk to human health.”

Because federal and state game rangers and university ornithologists are testing thousands more birds since Congress approved $29 million for expanded bird flu screening, Dr. DeHaven said it was “no surprise” that the virus had been found.

The mute swans, a wild pair nesting near Lake Erie, appeared healthy, as did the birds seen near them when they were sampled on Aug. 8, Dr. DeHaven said. (But they were killed because they were sampled as part of a government program to wipe out Michigan’s mute swans, the white birds of “Swan Lake” fame. They are a European species introduced in the 1800’s as park decorations but are so aggressive when they become feral that they drive out local trumpeter swans and loons.)

Preliminary tests were positive for H5 and N1 “spikes” on the shells of the virus, Dr. DeHaven said, so it is theoretically possible that the birds had two separate viruses, one with an H5 spike and another with an N1.

It will take about two weeks to grow more of the virus’s core, sequence its genes, and then inject it into chicks to see if it kills three-quarters of them within 10 days, which would meet the definition of a highly pathogenic virus. If a “high-path” virus were present in the United States other countries would probably shut their doors to American poultry exports.

Dr. DeHaven said, however, that the preliminary tests suggested it was not, and that the North American strain had never mutated into a more lethal form.

Almost all the humans who have died of avian flu are believed to have caught it from domestic chickens or their droppings. The exception was an outbreak in Azerbaijan in February, in which village girls who plucked a flock of dead wild swans for their down fell ill.

[yumone]

quick everyone buy all the pharmaceuticals you can get your hands on bird flu's on the rise!