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maybe basquiat did suck, maybe not. considering he rarely has pieces for sale on the open market, and buying one by making an offer on one in a private collection is gonna cost hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions), i'm not even sure it's subjective to comment on his talent.
incidently, i've heard rumor that the deal involving sony's purchase of mo-wax back a few years ago involved sony having to buy james lavelle a basquiat piece. since at the time none were for sale, they had to drop a small fortune buying one from a private collection or it was going to be a deal breaker.
Market and essence of work is not to be confused. You can make the market bigtime with obvious talent or a very ineteresting persona or good connections or even all of the above and still you may never contribute anything worthwhile. What i mean by worthwhile is to be in the position where you're just being you and you change the way the game moves, after a while it seems like the game couldnt survive without you. Basquiat doesnt fall under this category at all, its not only that i dont like his work but i could never see how basquiats work opened new ways and put artists and people in general mind in a new rotation. I'm totally against the theory and vice of Warhols work but noone could say that he wasnt a crucial figure in art at the time, dude brought all kinds of viewing the world and art as a sum of the world..along with that he brought basquiat too. I dont think the appeal is based on his work but more on the background story of the man himself that the world was prepared to accept. Definitions of cool and interesting change really fast but the whole deal relies on either you make them or just fit the bill. To keep it simple, i think that basquiat is a classic 'right time, right place' case.
As far as irak goes, i dunno..shit is way to flashy for my taste and while i totally respect what they do and that they manage to come off like they do it aint nothing of importnace to me. I'm not willing to give excuses like 'they're not designers just writers'...its not that important talking so much about a t-shirt but i cant overide the fact that raven is also a writer, made the best graff mag in the market, and produces superior tshirts that arent sold out solely because the same hype doesnt suround him.
yo, there are entirely too many names and pictures floating around on this thread. Somebody needs to jump in and do something about it. They may be designers or whatever, but they still paint (at least some of them...a little), so it's best to keep that shit confidential.
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I believe its their desicion to be so. If you have your face and tag together on magazines that circulate all over the city you paint you obsiously want it to happen. We protect the people that their data was exposed without their will or willing, we're not here to play world safety police.
Originally posted by Misteraven@Dec 7 2004, 10:41 PM maybe basquiat did suck, maybe not. considering he rarely has pieces for sale on the open market, and buying one by making an offer on one in a private collection is gonna cost hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions), i'm not even sure it's subjective to comment on his talent.
Originally posted by ohjeez@Dec 8 2004, 12:44 AM yo, there are entirely too many names and pictures floating around on this thread. Somebody needs to jump in and do something about it. They may be designers or whatever, but they still paint (at least some of them...a little), so it's best to keep that shit confidential.
i always forget how much i like gingerbread, then christmas time rolls around and i remember again.
if anything, i think basquiat proved that talent is irrelivent in the face of egomaniacle (seemingly unfounded) confidence. if you act like you're the shit and anything you do is the greatest thing ever, there are a good portion of people who will go along with you simply because they don't want to be behind the times or out of the loop. remember 'cant buy me love'? basquiat is the ronald miller of the pop art world.
seeks/that was funny.
look, we'll cross the "hesh accidentally shot himself in the ass" bridge when we come to it. no homo
*BLACK OUT POSSE*
so..... what you're saying is that someone (I'm guessing Warhol) spilt a glass of red wine on the art world's suede dress and basquait payed for the cleaning?
that scene in the airplane graveyard was kind of cool.
oh... this just reminded me opf a tread I was going to make in ch.zes.... zero.
Originally posted by wiseguy@Dec 7 2004, 02:38 AM ...at least it will be writers making money off of graffiti designs instead of some random fashion company.
Originally posted by seeking@Dec 8 2004, 04:18 PM i always forget how much i like gingerbread, then christmas time rolls around and i remember again.
if anything, i think basquiat proved that talent is irrelivent in the face of egomaniacle (seemingly unfounded) confidence. if you act like you're the shit and anything you do is the greatest thing ever, there are a good portion of people who will go along with you simply because they don't want to be behind the times or out of the loop. remember 'cant buy me love'? basquiat is the ronald miller of the pop art world.
i think this discussion is getting too deep. bottom line is anyone can take a shot at making loot. whether people actually buy into it or not will decide how worthy the venture is. but you can't knock someone for trying.
Originally posted by Misteraven@Dec 8 2004, 09:05 PM i think this discussion is getting too deep. bottom line is anyone can take a shot at making loot. whether people actually buy into it or not will decide how worthy the venture is. but you can't knock someone for trying.
if this discussion is too 'deep', then it is so only in comparison to the shallowness of the product.
no one is knocking them for trying, or even knocking basquait, we're simply questioning the motives of the people who pay exorbinate amounts of money for items that are largely hype.
also, there is the fact that 'writers' are not really the target audience here...atleast not 'real' writers that put in work. this stuff is for hip, scenester 'culture vultures'...if IRAK can put one over on them and make a buck, they've certainly earned that right and i aint mad at them, but ive also earned the right to question those heartless fucks who want to look cool and dick ride on some shit they don't belong to, simply to look 'edgy'.
also, work is really fucking boring and theoretical arguments are wonderful time wasters.
look, we'll cross the "hesh accidentally shot himself in the ass" bridge when we come to it. no homo
*BLACK OUT POSSE*
My favorite thing about this thread is the dude that was like "Those skulls are biting Giant. Giant could do those skulls better!" and then come to find out that Giant did those skulls.
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