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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-26-2008, 04:48 AM

The same feeling you get from seeing your piece roll into the station is the same feeling I get seeing my piece on a freight car get caught on the other side of the country, knowing people have seen it all along its journey, and will continue to see it for years.

Also, there arent extensive metro systems in the States. But there are vast amounts of freight lines and millions of freight cars.

This argument is apples and oranges. Both are good in their own right but are two different things.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-26-2008, 05:39 AM

I came late, and I've hashed it all out before, but I'll give one new angle that's just mine...
My feeling is that NYC subways were the shit. When they ran.
I personally don't care nearly as much about FLICKS as most writers. I do a little. But I would WAY rather have a fleet of freights RUNNING for all to see than a picture book of passenger train panels that don't exist anymore, and existed at most for a couple days. It's like the difference between having living children and having photos of children that were stillborn.
I'm sorry you don't enjoy benching, OR piece longevity, OR large distances traveled, OR going all-continent without leaving your area - but we're back to "to each his own", because those are the things that get me amped to paint trains.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-26-2008, 05:51 AM

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there arent extensive metro systems in the States.
So very true, with an interlinked commuter system that runs from south of Maine to around North Carolina, and the main section being AM-TRASH it leaves very little cars to tag without getting arrested by RR Police [btw AM-TRASH Police are the same thing as U.S. Marshals.

And on the west coast there's ONLY Cal-Trans to try to tag - Long Beach to San Francisco, but with over 3 million miles of Freight Railroads, and 3-4 hundred million Freight Cars the masterpieces will be rolling for several years giving the artist more publicity than someone taking a picture and posting it on an internet site, only to have the original washed or sand-blasted off within a month!
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-26-2008, 05:53 AM

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because????
because its completely irrelevant.
there is no surface graffiti is "supposed" to be on. its one of the dumbest ideas ive ever heard.




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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-26-2008, 09:19 AM

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because its completely irrelevant.
there is no surface graffiti is "supposed" to be on. its one of the dumbest ideas ive ever heard.
your opinion. you are allowed to have one.
so do i.

you people made your point. and after wading through hundreds even thousands of flicks of freights. explain me something else.....

WHY do most look like 8 minute back jumps and dont show the time you obviously have to put in the piece?
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 05:18 AM

Quality issues now...
Couple of reasons why most freights look like quickies:
1) There are about 1,700,000 freight cars in circulation in the system. At some point in your career, usually the beginning, you realize you have to do a shitload to get noticed at all. So you bang out many quick ones in a night instead of one burner. Some heads have chosen to do quality every time, but have no numbers, and later got frustrated that their few cars seemed to have dropped off the earth.
2) Chill, easy freight spots are outnumbered by hotter, harder spots. But freights are addictive. If there's nothing at your chill spot, you may have to settle for some quickies at a hotter spot to get your fix. If you try to do a burner at a hotter spot, well - you know how that can go. Waste a few cans of fill, have to run, never see that train again to finish it.
3) The northern half of the US and all of Canada have gnarly ass winters - snow, subzero cold, wind, sleet, and other forms of misery. But as I said freights are addictive, and dedicated heads don't want to stay off the steel for 4 or 5 months till the weather improves. So we go out in those conditions just to get up, something, anything. Quality suffers. As for those from the south and SW US and Mexico, they don't have that excuse, I'll let them defend themselves.
After eight serious years of doing freights (I don't count anything before 2000, it was all wack) my fleet looks like this: ten wholecars, 75 end to ends, 200 nice panels, 500 OK panels, 800 quickies, and then a bunch of fills, hollows and tags I don't count, for about 1,650 freights. Which is less than one tenth of one percent of the railcars out there. That should underscore the need for numbers.
Finally there's the typical mission profile: you arrive at the spot with X amount of paint. It's chill. You do one or two nice ones. Then you're out of colors A and B but it's still chill and there's more trains available so you cobble together some simple stamps with whatever color scheme is left. Then you're down to scraps, just doing fills and tags till you're out of paint. Final tally 1-2 burners, 3-5 quickies. If that's an average night, then your quickies are always going to far outnumber your burners.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 08:14 AM

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Quality issues now...
Couple of reasons why most freights look like quickies:
1) There are about 1,700,000 freight cars in circulation in the system. At some point in your career, usually the beginning, you realize you have to do a shitload to get noticed at all. So you bang out many quick ones in a night instead of one burner. Some heads have chosen to do quality every time, but have no numbers, and later got frustrated that their few cars seemed to have dropped off the earth.
2) Chill, easy freight spots are outnumbered by hotter, harder spots. But freights are addictive. If there's nothing at your chill spot, you may have to settle for some quickies at a hotter spot to get your fix. If you try to do a burner at a hotter spot, well - you know how that can go. Waste a few cans of fill, have to run, never see that train again to finish it.
3) The northern half of the US and all of Canada have gnarly ass winters - snow, subzero cold, wind, sleet, and other forms of misery. But as I said freights are addictive, and dedicated heads don't want to stay off the steel for 4 or 5 months till the weather improves. So we go out in those conditions just to get up, something, anything. Quality suffers. As for those from the south and SW US and Mexico, they don't have that excuse, I'll let them defend themselves.
After eight serious years of doing freights (I don't count anything before 2000, it was all wack) my fleet looks like this: ten wholecars, 75 end to ends, 200 nice panels, 500 OK panels, 800 quickies, and then a bunch of fills, hollows and tags I don't count, for about 1,650 freights. Which is less than one tenth of one percent of the railcars out there. That should underscore the need for numbers.
Finally there's the typical mission profile: you arrive at the spot with X amount of paint. It's chill. You do one or two nice ones. Then you're out of colors A and B but it's still chill and there's more trains available so you cobble together some simple stamps with whatever color scheme is left. Then you're down to scraps, just doing fills and tags till you're out of paint. Final tally 1-2 burners, 3-5 quickies. If that's an average night, then your quickies are always going to far outnumber your burners.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 01:02 PM

cracked hit it on the head...




i lived in a different time on a different line..
sometimes you just cant die in peace without doing another piece...
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 03:24 PM

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fck me. great reply.
CRACK good answer. i think your numbers that you gave are on a lower estimate ( saying that i thought you had more out there). its still good to see that my numbers are still ahead, but you got me on the wholecars and e2e's. anyways the weather is better down here but the law enforcement (on freights) at least in my part of the country is alot heavier. so you can say that it kind of evens out.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 06:08 PM

i cant even get past the first page of this fucking thread. this is a tired subject. yeah, i think i'll close it.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 06:10 PM

aw, fuck it....i'll keep it open. bitch and moan all you want....
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 06:55 PM

you do what you can in whatever situation your in.
The yanks have fun painting their freights and us euros have fun painting commuters.
thats all that really matters..
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 10:16 PM

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aw, fuck it....i'll keep it open. bitch and moan all you want....
modgod the bitchin was on page one. i actually got educated a bit more and i might even adjust my opinion. although i could choose between freights and subs tonite...well i picked the obvious one for me.....

but i am getting WAY to old for this little adventures.....

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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-27-2008, 11:49 PM

cities with subway systems
most of these cities only run on one line. north to south. or east to west etc. the yard if you can even call it that. are relatively small, holding mostly 5 lines tops.
people who paint these subways do not wish to share with other people their flicks because it is a underground scene, reason being. if toys find out these things are being painted often they will blow up what little scene there already is.




light rail systems also get hit but again the number of cars in a yard are small.

Baltimore, MD MTA (Maryland Transit Administration)
Boston, MA MBTA (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority)
Buffalo, NY Metro (Niagara Frontier Transit Metro System)
Charlotte, NC CATS (Charlotte Area Transit System)
Cleveland, OH RTA (Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority)
Dallas, TX DART (Dallas Area Rapid Transit Authority)
Denver, CO RTD (Regional Transportation District)
Houston, TX Metro (Metropolitan Transit Authority of Harris County)
Los Angeles, CA MTA (Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority)
Minneapolis, MN Metro Transit (MT)
Newark, NJ NJT and NJT River LINE (New Jersey Transit Corporation)
Philadelphia, PA SEPTA (Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority)
Pittsburgh, PA PAAC (Port Authority of Allegheny County)
Portland, OR Portland Streetcar (PS)
TriMet (Tri-County Metropolitan Transportation District of Oregon)
Sacramento, CA SRTD (Sacramento Regional Transit District)
Saint Louis, MO Metro (Bi-State Development Agency)
Salt Lake City, UT UTA (Utah Transit Authority)
San Diego, CA SDT (San Diego Trolley)
San Francisco, CA Muni (San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, San Francisco Municipal Railway)
San Jose, CA VTA (Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority)
Tacoma, WA Sound Transit (Central Puget Sound Regional Transit Authority)



high speed rail


commuter rail lines
1 MTA Long Island Rail Road New York 359,400 Fourth quarter of 2007 700[2]
2 Metra Chicago 311,700 Fourth quarter of 2007 495[3]
3 MTA Metro-North Railroad New York 289,400 Fourth quarter of 2007 384[4]
4 New Jersey Transit New York 276,000[5] Fiscal year 2007 951[6]
5 MBTA Commuter Rail Boston 143,700 Fourth quarter of 2007
6 SEPTA Regional Rail Philadelphia 128,600 Fourth quarter of 2007
7 Metrolink (Southern California) Los Angeles 40,400 Fourth quarter of 2007 512[7]
8 Caltrain San Francisco and San Jose 35,100 Fourth quarter of 2007 77[8]
9 MARC Baltimore and Washington 30,100 Fourth quarter of 2007
10 Virginia Railway Express Washington DC 14,200 Fourth quarter of 2007
11 NICTD South Shore Line Chicago 13,600 Fourth quarter of 2007
12 SFRTA Tri-Rail Miami 12,600 Fourth quarter of 2007 72[9]
13 Trinity Railway Express Dallas and Fort Worth 9,100 Fourth quarter of 2007 34
14 Sounder Commuter Rail Seattle 8,800 Fourth quarter of 2007 80
15 NCTD Coaster San Diego 5,300 Fourth quarter of 2007 41.1
16 Altamont Commuter Express San Jose 3,100 Fourth quarter of 2007 86
17 Shore Line East New Haven 1,900 Fourth quarter of 2007
18 New Mexico Rail Runner Express Albuquerque 1,600 Fourth quarter of 2007 45 (est.)
19 Pennsylvania Department of Transportation Harrisburg 1,400 Fourth quarter of 2007
20 Music City Star Nashville 600 Fourth quarter of 2007 32
21 UTA Frontrunner Salt Lake City Service to begin April 2008 N/A 44

remeber who our president is. remember what type of country this is, i am not saying your laws arent strict, but people WILL do hard time for paintg these things under a so called "terrorist threat" another reason as to why flicks are not highly publicised.

this is the rail roads of the US


where i live, there are security guards there are pigs with copters, there are stray dogs, crazy homeless people. but just as there is that, there are also chill areas to paint these "garbage carrying hunks of metal" and if caught each frieght is a felony offense. i dont know if you know what that means but its a minimum 5 yrs sentence if the judge decides to actually give that sentence to you. they also like to use tewrms like "tampering with the economy of the united states, or tampering with the movement of goods."

now if anyone feels like ive posted way too much info please feel free to deleted the links and maps.
just doing this so this guy could see a bigger picture.

i also in no way say this is better than that or that is better than this.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-28-2008, 01:51 AM

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CRACK good answer. i think your numbers that you gave are on a lower estimate ( saying that i thought you had more out there). its still good to see that my numbers are still ahead, but you got me on the wholecars and e2e's. anyways the weather is better down here but the law enforcement (on freights) at least in my part of the country is alot heavier. so you can say that it kind of evens out.
Since early on I tried to pick up whatever knowledge of the system I could, and that led to shrewd choices of which cars to hit for maximum play. So I've made my fleet look bigger by choosing trains that work it harder. Nowadays I'll hit anything, local or distant, common or rare, but those years that I focused on non-locals paid off as far as getting my name out there.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-28-2008, 09:26 AM

Stapler types better English than a lot of the 13 year old wiggers on here who have it as their native language-not bad! To those of you trying to diss him, lets see you try to type in German or French or whatever?

Anyway, to address the topic, I am from the US and i for one dont really give a fuck about freights. I might use a freight yard as a chill spot to practice styles, but as far as i'm concerned the streets and freeways is where the real action is.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 03-31-2008, 08:01 PM

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Lightbulb Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 04-01-2008, 04:28 AM

Practice makes perfect!

which is probably why i can easily burn most of the gay crap that i see riding on freights nowadays
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 04-02-2008, 06:33 AM

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Practice makes perfect!

which is probably why i can easily burn most of the gay crap that i see riding on freights nowadays

funny you as yank can diss but if euros take the piss.....
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 04-02-2008, 12:54 PM

Stapler :

You sound like your talking it up. If you where really active on trains you wouldnt be encouraging toys on the net to paint more. Ssh...

Everywhere has there own scene, let it be. Diversity makes graffiti more intersting.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 04-02-2008, 01:08 PM

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Stapler :

You sound like your talking it up. If you where really active on trains you wouldnt be encouraging toys on the net to paint more. Ssh...

Everywhere has there own scene, let it be. Diversity makes graffiti more intersting.
the more the better. destroy is the keyword
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 04-02-2008, 01:18 PM

Yeah destroy the world man, fuck the system braaaaahhhhh!

Your a toy, you just proved it.
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 04-02-2008, 02:31 PM

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Yeah destroy the world man, fuck the system braaaaahhhhh!

Your a toy, you just proved it.

hahahah up yours new skool dildo. up yours.

destroy the transit system yes & fuck the world indeed
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 04-02-2008, 04:48 PM

these guys are still hitting up MTA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-f5fLyuhMZI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-PRGQ_k8tvI
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Default Re: YANKS... U and your freights - 04-02-2008, 06:10 PM

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