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911 conspiracy theories are retarded. Sorry, read something from a source that gives you actual information, not charts that give you a tiny tidbit of information that is irrelevant alone.
you ever read the full NIST report? you see that part about unexplained sulfur?
i expect an apology. i'll get to the rest later on.
What I wrote - "The pearl harbor example is a conspiracy theory that has been proven wrong dozens of times"
I also wrote "Give me an example of this magnitude where there is a proven conspiracy with nobody involved coming forward"
Throwing shells into the ocean is not the same thing as personally murdering 3,000 Americans. Not to mention the President himself basically admitted it was bullshit as you have pointed out, and the military have also, including the destroyer's commander. Wouldn't something on the scale of 9-11 have a few people admitting it? Think about it, unless you have concluded I am Cheney's illegitimate child by now.
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What I wrote - "The pearl harbor example is a conspiracy theory that has been proven wrong dozens of times"
I also wrote "Give me an example of this magnitude where there is a proven conspiracy with nobody involved coming forward"
Throwing shells into the ocean is not the same thing as personally murdering 3,000 Americans. Not to mention the President himself basically admitted it was bullshit as you have pointed out, and the military have also, including the destroyer's commander. Wouldn't something on the scale of 9-11 have a few people admitting it? Think about it, unless you have concluded I am Cheney's illegitimate child by now.
ok, oak ridge facility. thousands of people working there, secluded for years. top secret. whole town was moved out and a new one was brought in.
and the sr-71. a space plane 50 years ago. don't you think techology has evolved in 50 years? don't you think that there are projects that have been under wraps since then? no one is stepping forward.
there are alot of things that are kept very secretive in govt's all over the world. this didn't have to be the whole of the govt. look at who is profiting. larry silverstein, dick cheney, poppy bush, the halliburton corp., the war time manufacturers.
look back to '99 and '00. dick cheney heading up PNAC. "america needs a new pearl harbour".
cheney taking control of the war dept. months before sept. 11th. the bunnker incident where he ordered the penatgons defenses to stand down.
the supposed terrorists being trained at our naval stations. their lack of ability as pilots, as testified to by their own instructors at private schools.
(private schools, which by the way do have ties with the CIA. do your own research on that one. i promise you'll find something)
it seems as though you're more hell bent on me coming up with the answers. and i do. i'm happy to. but i'd much rather you think for yourself instead of tryin to poke and prod at me like i'm supposed to give in one day. i won't. i've put enough of the puzzle together for myself. it's your turn to do your own research. go read the entire project ajax douments. our govt regyularly carried out terrorist activities. go read project northwoods.
go read some of the horrible things in the ENTIRE patriot act. things which the senate was forced to sign and not given any time to read. go read about SPP.gov and the systematic dismantling of our great nation.
stop trying to call me a tin foil hat wearing ufo chaser.
you guys like talking alot and citing these horrible references like popular science and its ilk. why don't you read real govt papers?
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09-04-2006, 07:19 AM
the secrecy argument is kinda bullshitish. you can't compare the secrecy surrounding stealth tech and programs, or the blackbird, or oakville, or the men in black that patrol the nsa city, or whatever else you want to highlight, with your assertion the US govt engineered 9/11 and is keeping it secret. there is a HUGE difference between, say, keeping a plane secret at the height of the cold war in which there is a believable threat to be deterred, and murdering 3000 of your countrymen to benefit a few top level scumbags that many people in govt/military can't stand anyways. and even if the secrecy is compartmentalized, there would still be a hefty amount of mid level players to worry about. i guess creepy threats to your life and family would be enough to shut anybody up, but...
Last edited by Larry Pubes : 09-04-2006 at 07:21 AM.
all this information is interseting.....yet, i'm old. after awhile it's like you can't do anything about it, so it's all just talking. that's all.
you are a sheep. might as well roll over, learn to goose step now.
SIEG HEIL! really loud so bush can hear you. that way he knows your
allegiance is to HIM.
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09-04-2006, 03:47 PM
dude your auto-reflex when people disagree with your paranoid conclusions is pathetic.
seriously sweet tactic. there's this scumbag named don rumsfeld who's been using the same tactic lately, imagine that!
dude your auto-reflex when people disagree with your paranoid conclusions is pathetic.
seriously sweet tactic. there's this scumbag named don rumsfeld who's been using the same tactic lately, imagine that!
you sound like big news companies. the way you rattle off non-facts is amazing.
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09-04-2006, 06:19 PM
hey casek, have you seen the penn&teller thing posted above? you should hit up that conspiracy club they featured and get your bitch on. i mean, even though there are hundreds of other real, provable problems associated with this admin that could be worked on a perhaps changed, you'll be doing your part stopping the onslaught of hitler 2 by preaching to a bunch of other lazy bullshitters. btw, what exactly are you doing to stop this terrible onslaught of police state fascism beyond bitching from your computer on 12oz? probably nothing eh? it's okay, i don't give a shit, so you don't need to write back trying to impress with your guerrilla credentials.
hmmm..i sound like 'big news'? so big news is rational and logical..okay then!
interesting how you use 'big news' to try and derogate me, yet much of your shambled together theory gleans info from...big news companies. woopsy!
as for 'non-facts'...you're the master of non-facts buddy whilst also being the master of speculation and conjecture. anyhow, i was hoping to see a reply to stereotype's post on thermate/ite.
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09-04-2006, 07:32 PM
what do i do? i make phone calls to senators. i try and educate people. i educate myself.
what do you do?
much of my shambled together theories? i present you with document after document after document. non-facts? have you ever read the patriot act? have you? PNAC? the NIST report?
the 0-11 commission report? the whole of operation NORTHWOODS? the project AJAX papers?
so you are rational and logical? that's a joke. i notice how you like to insult when you really don't have a clear answer to anything i pose. people like you pull the same tactics when posed with hard evidence.
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09-04-2006, 08:00 PM
why yes i have hotshot, i just don't take disparate bits of info and throw it at a wall and call it an inside job to benefit the nwo like you. and whoa, you read the WHOLE OP NORTHWOODS DOCUMENT??? holy cow, i'm impressed with your thoroughness of something that didn't actually ever happen. insults? you're insulted by the stuff i say to you? have i ever called you a fucking idiot? i seem to recall taking you up on bohemian and you lashing out at me with various names. and you've done it to plenty of other on here as well. sherock might not mind being called a 'sheep' and insinuating nazi/fascist support, but i'm sure just about everybody else on here would have a problem with that sort of garbage. your 'hard evidence' is a fucking sham, and quite a few people have been in here and called you on it. i personally have asked you numerous times for evidence, and you ALWAYS either don't respond(as you are doing with stereotypes comments on thermate/ite), or you post something totally peripheral or totally unrelated as 'evidence'.
i'm educated enough on this stuff to know your full of shit. i used to try and educate people, but i don't have the motivation to beat my head against a wall pursuing a 'theory' that nobody has yet to make a great case for, let alone yourself. i don't call senators like you though...that's pretty intense dude. plus i'm not an american, a 'true patriot' like yourself, fighting the evil doers of the govt with...phone calls to priviledged white guys that couldn't give a fuck. but hey, just for shits, what do you say to these senators? who have you personally called and talked to? how's that going for you? getting results are you?
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09-04-2006, 08:18 PM
i'm going to answer stereotypes question about the thermite device. i'm still looking for the company that manufactures them. why don't you guys do your own research?
what do the senators say? some listen. some are genuine with their answers.
sometimes their interns don't even answer the phones. it's frustrating. mostly, i call about the net neutrality bill (as of late). i'm trying to stop the
issues that i really care about. NAIS, etc. stuff that can fuck up the little people here for the benefit of the corporate agenda. stuff that counts. the real i.d act is the next big issue i'm going after, but there's still a chance with net neutrality.
and my evicence isn't hard enough for you? .mil and .gov links aren't hard evidence?
the names of the documents should be all i need to say, you guys should be looking this shit up yourselves.
operation northwoods never happened? of course not. kennedy got word of it and fired off those generals in his cabinet that came up with that plan. operation ajax, however, did happen. real american terrorism.
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09-04-2006, 09:16 PM
hold on, ajax was IRAN dude, not american terrorism on american soil. big difference. *what's more, it's no secret.* i'm not arguing with you over whether or not the US is a terrorist state, or has engaged in state terrorism and all sorts of other shifty shit. you're asserting that the US govt engineered and perpetrated a massive terror plot against it's own citizens. the fact that states have engaged in terror against other states historically doesn't prove a thing in relation to your 9/11 claims.
.mil and .gov links are, when i've asked for specifics, few and far between dude. in fact i don't think you've posted a single .mil or .gov link related to anything that i have specifically asked for. nor have you posted those links to support any specific claims you've made in this thread. your 'evidence' from the rare .mil or .gov link you provide is always disparate bits of information that you later conveniently shamble together as 'proof' and 'evidence' to support your claims of 9/11. your logic seems to go like this: x govt conspiracy happened on this date, decades later y govt conspiracy happened on this date, therefore this proves 1 + 1=2.
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09-04-2006, 11:00 PM
AJAX was a CIA program. and it was a secret. for quite some time it was a big secret.
NORTHWOODS, not being acted upon, doesn't make it any less of a real plan.
the NIST report specifically cites sulfur from an unknown source. buildsings 1,2, and 7
all fell in their own tracks. that pancake theory is just bullshit. and 7 wasn't damaged by any falling debris. you can count the few windows that were blown out. the gas in the basement is
just bullocks. how many times has the NIST backed out on their claims as to how 7 fell?
look at silversteins insurance olicy he took out on the complex weeks before september 11 '01.
look at bush's brothers security contract for the complex that ended on the 11th. look into the ISI connection. look at the would be terrorists. atleast 7 of who are still alive. the leader, atta liked to do cocaine and hang out at strip joints. very devout muslim wouldn't you say?
look at the testimony from their flight school instructor in south florida. they could barely fly small engine planes. how are they going to handle something as big and complex as an airliner? look at that same flight schools conenction to the panamanian/cia drug ring. or the terrorists having residence at pensacola naval air station. now look at the bush family and their known connections with the bin ladens.
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09-05-2006, 06:21 AM
Context of 'Before September 11, 2001'
This page shows all events that either reference, or are referenced by, the event 'Before September 11, 2001'.
Before September 11, 2001: Hijackers Drink, Watch Strip Shows on Eve of Attacks
A number of the hijackers apparently drink alcohol heavily in bars and watch strip shows. On September 10, three of them spend $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks in the Pink Pony, a Daytona Beach, Florida strip club. While the hijackers had left Florida by this time, Mohamed Atta is reported to have visited the same strip club, and these men appear to have had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. [Boston Herald, 10/10/2001] Marwan Alshehhi and Mohamed Atta are seen entering the Hollywood, Florida, sports bar Shuckums already drunk. They proceed to drink even more hard alcohol there (see September 7, 2001).Atta and Alshehhi are seen at Sunrise 251, a bar in Palm Beach, Florida. They spend $1,000 in 45 minutes on Krug and Perrier-Jouet champagne. Atta is with a tall busty brunette in her late twenties; Alshehhi is with a shortish blonde. Both women are known locally as regular companions of high-rollers. [Daily Mail, 9/16/2001] A stripper at the Olympic Garden Topless Cabaret in Las Vegas, Nevada, recalls Marwan Alshehhi being “cheap,” paying only $20 for a lap dance. [Cox News Service, 10/16/2001] Several hijackers reportedly patronize the Nardone’s Go-Go Bar in Elizabeth, New Jersey. They are even seen there on the weekend before 9/11. [Boston Herald, 10/10/2001; Wall Street Journal, 10/16/2001] Majed Moqed visits a porn shop on three occasions, and rents a porn video. The mayor of Paterson, New Jersey, says of the six hijackers who stayed there: “Nobody ever saw them at mosques, but they liked the go-go clubs.” [Newsday, 9/23/2001; Newsweek, 10/15/2001] Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar often frequented Cheetah’s, a nude bar in San Diego. [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/2002] Hamza Alghamdi watched a porn video on September 10. [Wall Street Journal, 10/16/2001] University of Florida religion professor Richard Foltz states, “It is incomprehensible that a person could drink and go to a strip bar one night, then kill themselves the next day in the name of Islam ... People who would kill themselves for their faith would come from very strict Islamic ideology. Something here does not add up.” [South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 9/16/2001]
U.S rebuts 9/11 homegrown conspiracy theories
By Jim Wolf
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States government is attacking conspiracy theories about the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York as the fifth anniversary of September 11 approaches.
According to a Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll carried out in July, more than one-third of Americans suspect U.S. officials helped in the September 11 attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could later go to war.
The State Department responded this week with a rebuttal of World Trade Center demolition theories and doubts about other events of the day that abound on the Internet.
It listed some of the most prevalent September 11 myths, led by claims the twin towers were destroyed by secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets.
"This is how the collapses may have appeared to non-experts, but demolition experts point out many differences," said a department "special feature" available at http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation.html.
Demolition professionals always blow the bottom floors of a structure first, while the collapses began at upper levels -- where the hijacked Boeing 767s hit, it said.
Nearly 3,000 people were killed on September 11. The Bush administration responded by leading an invasion of Afghanistan and, in 2003, of Iraq.
The State Department was providing "corrective information" in response to misinformation in the media and on the Internet, said Joanne Moore, a department spokeswoman.
The information in the rebuttal was not new, she added, but drawn from public sources.
In a similar vein, the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology posted a "fact sheet" on its Web site on Wednesday in question-and-answer format responding to alternative theories about the fire and the collapse.
NIST, which carried out a three-year investigation, concluded the towers collapsed after being hit by separate, fuel-laden aircraft flown by hijackers.
The resulting fire, which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees C (1,800 degrees F), led to an inward bowing of perimeter columns and subsequent collapses, NIST found in 43 volumes that comprise a final report issued last October.
In putting out its answers to 14 questions about the World Trade Center, NIST, an arm of the Commerce Department, said its findings did not support the "pancake theory" of collapse premised on a progressive failure of floor systems consistent with a controlled demolition.
"NIST is a group of government scientists whose leaders are Bush appointees, and therefore their report is not likely to veer from the political story," said Kevin Ryan, an editor of the online Journal of 9/11 studies.
Ryan says he was a former site manager of a division of Underwriters Laboratories, an independent, not-for-profit product-safety testing and certification organization.
"The more information we learn about this investigation, the more concerned we become," he said.
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09-05-2006, 02:55 PM
Casek, the hijackers getting loaded and trying to find some hookers is pretty bad evidence to say they aren’t really devout muslims. Almost as bad as your previous claims that Muslims don’t wear jewelry. The night before suicide bombers kill themselves those types of festivities are pretty common, the reasoning being that if they are going to martyr themselves all sins will be forgiven. There are thousands of “devout muslims” in Saudi Arabia that go get drunk and have sex with imported sex slaves not too far from the big rock.
Again, maybe 2 hundred people at a closed off base that the government denies exists, where they can’t leave or have any outside contact, and they are working on a plane and not killing thousands of people, is not the same thing. There has never been anything similar to a conspiracy the size of 9-11 being orchestrated and then kept so nobody came forward, neither the workers the trade tower who escaped, or the thousand plus people who would be involved in a conspiracy as large as you claim.
About Pensacola, wouldn’t the government have them go to a more secure and private base? With that aside, you say that the flight school the hijackers supposedly attended was run by the CIA, and these CIA boogieman instructors specifically said the hijackers were terrible students. Why would the CIA sabotage its own operation by making the hijackers seem incapable of doing what they did?
look at silversteins insurance olicy he took out on the complex weeks before september 11 '01..
That definitely goes along with the rest of such an incredible plan. Take out the insurance a few days before hand, thats just fucking smooth. Is his assistant Whitey Buldger?
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09-04-2006, 01:59 AM
