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It seems as if there are not too many Solid old school Crews anymore.
A lot of crews in today’s Graf game,
instead of like the old days when schooling kids and bringing them up was the building blocks.
There taking the fast food way and just recruiting and courting them for a summer making them down and using new writers to progress there intentions. As writers get older new talent is always a must if your intentions are bigger than your 3 best friends killing a city and being content.
Is this the progression and the direction of graffiti? Are we leaving loyalty and family for opportunity.
Sometimes 3-6 man crews can kill shit and stay true. But with commercialization, all these artist collectives of 50 plus artists, and taking top artist to just be down seem in my opinion watering down the meaning of crew.
Name your favorite active crews and crews you think are representing but just not representing.
And lets see some pictures of the Real and the Fakes.
Misguided Moments of Clarity lead to Memories of Thought.
Last edited by Movement and Mathmatics : 08-02-2007 at 07:43 AM.
It seems as if there are not too many Solid old school Crews anymore.
A lot of crews in today’s Graf game,
instead of like the old days when schooling kids and bringing them up was the building blocks.
There taking the fast food way and just recruiting and courting them for a summer making them down and using new writers to progress there intentions. As writers get older new talent is always a must if your intentions are bigger than your 3 best friends killing a city and being content.
Is this the progression and the direction of graffiti? Are we leaving loyalty and family for opportunity.
Sometimes 3-6 man crews can kill shit and stay true. But with commercialization, all these artist collectives of 50 plus artists, and taking top artist to just be down seem in my opinion watering down the meaning of crew.
Name your favorite active crews and crews you think are representing but just not representing.
And lets see some pictures of the Real and the Fakes.
Let me guess.
You got the Mark Echo game a few months back and now you want to be a graffti writer.
It’s pretty funny that kids on here would hate so quickly on a genuine topic. First of all I have been writing probably longer that most of you. I can almost guarantee it. But you never know who is who with screen names.
That was your mistake when responding to think I am some toy that just bought a game and learned Graff.
Maybe you don’t see the question as valid which is cool; it might be a bit over your head. a 3 word question might be too much for fake ass new jacks that thinking painting for 10 years or in most your cases the last 5 years as being an og.
Make a knowledgeable response next time, instead of just being ignorant.
Misguided Moments of Clarity lead to Memories of Thought.
It’s pretty funny that kids on here would hate so quickly on a genuine topic. First of all I have been writing probably longer that most of you. I can almost guarantee it. But you never know who is who with screen names.
That was your mistake when responding to think I am some toy that just bought a game and learned Graff.
Maybe you don’t see the question as valid which is cool; it might be a bit over your head. a 3 word question might be too much for fake ass new jacks that thinking painting for 10 years or in most your cases the last 5 years as being an og.
Make a knowledgeable response next time, instead of just being ignorant.
On this site it is nearly impossible to have a real discussion about graffiti. Most of the kids on here really don't know anything and cover it up with replies such as "shut up homo face and die". Personally I dont want to get into this topic but I do think it is valid and yes shit has definitely changed, for better or worse however, is open to opinion.
Bring all your shoes and all your glasses, so you have them
i kind of agree with abracadabra, this is fucking retarded. there are plenty of crews, still progressing, who have a legacy and hold to it. to ask if crews are dead? it's the exact opposite. all these young twits with barely any ball hair and a couple cans of paint, automatically have a crew. as soon as they find one other person, the call it a crew. they suck, take up space, and know nothing about respect and history. but they've got a crew. crews aren't dead, the leaders are still leading. if you really want to look at it, the idea of a crew is now being gentrified by kool aid smiles and mtv pipe dreams.
i've got a question to add:
if you've been following graff for a while, have you seen an over abundance of stupidity appearing after "getting up" dropped. i'm just curious if in your areas, you've had the same affect as i've seen in mine. our legal wall was ruined by it, lay ups were ruined by it. it just seems like everyone thinks picking up a fucking can and putting something on a wall makes you something worth bragging about. maybe i just didn't notice this before the game dropped? i mean the whole culture rape mentality has been going on for a while now.
WTF???? WE DROP CREW SPOTS ALL THE TIME...CREWS AINT DEAD - MAYBE YA HOMIES AINT PUTTING IN WORK.... EVERYONE I KNOW FEELS THE SAME ABOUT CREWS...PUSH IT AND REP IT...KEEP ON GROWING.
Maybe are crews dead was a little vague, maybe i should say are real crews meaning crews with history and tradition still alive. Any young Newjack can start a crew and have no knowledge of its cities history.
Alot of this mentality also lies on the heads of the elite writers, who stay involved in there own egos and stand above everyone else.
It seems as the gap has widened so broadly than i can ever remember, between the haves and the haves nots. The elite and the complete idiots of graff.
To me there are era's of certain crews where they repreesented a true sense of the meaning, now with all the comingling of writers it seems like writers are repping like 3-4 crews depending upon who they paint with.
I Repped one crew for 15 years and Now dont rep not one, do to this fallen identity of a family.
Maybe its me but if i ever rep another crew it will only be one.
Misguided Moments of Clarity lead to Memories of Thought.
maybe that's just your thing. maybe friendships form with individuals in different crews, and that's how you get involved in a network. i guess i can see what you mean by loyalty, but at the same time --not all graff crews are run like a street gang. should they be?
However I will agree with some of the other shit that you said.
I feel as if graffiti is where it is at for a lot of reasons, obviously the commercialization of it, spreading it's popularity to kids who would have never thought to get involved with the culture, in the first place.
However because of this, you see dozens of kids hopping on the bandwagon as we speak. Which causes a lot of mis-guided people to pick up cans and try to be down. That, with the hard bodied attitude everyone walks around with like they're fucking 50 cent or some shit not having to listen to nobody and do what you want, also contributes to all of this.
Finally what you had said about people being taken under their wing, and shown how it is done, properly at least in my eyes, doesn't happen enough, which also leads to people jumping in and out of the game faster then you're favorite southern rapper.
ILOTSMYBRAIN --i'm with you on that. i think one of my biggest issues is with the attitude. i think people adopt that whole "thug" mentality, because of a pre-programmed notion. these forums are the best example of this. people just hate, to hate. it doesn't matter that they don't know the person, or that the person is 100% down, righteous, and supportive. but the fact that the person in mention, does 1 character that looks like a king 157 character --they are all of a sudden worthless, shitty, a biter, a faggot, a fucking chump, etc. people need to drop all the bullshit, and keep beef to an individual level. people can be the biggest bunch of bitches in this game, and unfortunately, internet forums are helping to hand that down to the next generation of highly influenced media junkies. i'll admit that's all a generalization. i think there is a serious divide between the good and bad aspects of the internet's involvement in graffiti.
if you've been following graff for a while, have you seen an over abundance of stupidity appearing after "getting up" dropped. i'm just curious if in your areas, you've had the same affect as i've seen in mine. our legal wall was ruined by it, lay ups were ruined by it. it just seems like everyone thinks picking up a fucking can and putting something on a wall makes you something worth bragging about. maybe i just didn't notice this before the game dropped? i mean the whole culture rape mentality has been going on for a while now.
yeah same up here. the legal wall has all these tags from random ass kids on the signs and street surrounding it, so they think they're legitmate writers now. kids are tagging over pieces that have been around for probably over 10-15 years by respected writers who've died, and just generally disrespectful and ignorant things like starting the process of blowing up chill spots, leaving cans everywhere, etc. theres been a couple SFC tags around and shit like that where Getting Up obviously is spurring dudes into grabbing paint and scribbling ugly ass shit without a real appreciation or foundation of what they're doing in attempting to write graffiti.
our legal wall was ruined the same way. kids would just do one line tags, that sucked, over burners. pieces by respected locals. the wall was contained by a fence, and some jersey barriers. the owners of the wall were cool enough to let it be a legal wall, due to the fact that they can't use the property for anything else. i guess they buried some serious waste underneath, then paved over it, so now it's useless even as a parking lot. it was perfectly hidden, yet easily accessible to the public. i've only lived here for three years, but i guess when it first started, it was respected. it was just burners, and the occasional beef. out of towners came through, painted, and shit ran. since i've moved here (three years ago) i've seen it progressively get worse. people just throwing buckets of paint on serious pieces. kids just using the place to do fucking throws and one liners. people using it to take "cool" action photos of them doing lame shit, just so they can put "i'm a graffiti artist" on their myspace account. (i actually had someone show me this dumb broad's profile, to prove this point) then kids started hitting up everything outside the boundaries. shit got buffed, signs went up, but kids still couldn't learn respect. i understand the nature of the beast, but all of that shit should have been kept on the streets, away from the wall. so after a whole bunch of warnings, someone finally busted into one of the buildings and stole some shit. i doubt it was any graff kids, but that was the final straw. now you can't even walk on the property to shoot flicks, without the chance of police harrassment. there is a happy ending to all of this. the guys who run the building are still going to let kids paint, but it's going to be heavily regulated and by invite only. i'm personally cool with that, maybe that will bring back the flavor a legal wall should have.
Last edited by earl broclo ESQ : 08-02-2007 at 08:31 PM.
yeah, the legal wall in portland is right on this bike path, so because of kids leaving all their empty cans all over the paths and general area plus all the disgusting tags all over signs, the overpass, and street near the wall, its inevitable that its going to be shut down. shit'd probably be for the better anyways because theres plenty of chill spots that are pretty much the equvilent of the legal wall in the respect that no one who isnt a writer with knowledge of the spot or the seldom random dog-walker would be at these spots, which would hopefully cut down on the number of toys.
Crews aren't dead.
Neither are disgruntled oldtimers who don't like how the game has changed.
I think your complaint isn't really about crews, it's more of a general distaste with hordes of newjacks. Sure, a lot of them aren't doing it like the old days. If your boys are, then you shrug it off. Your best policy is to 'act locally' and school newcomers you run into. If they have the right attitude and listen, you can bring them up and put them down. If they come with a wack attitude, then it's time for crossouts and beatdowns, which is also a form of schooling.
I get heated when I see new toys pop up and do stupid shit. But I try to remember that I'M the reason they got started. They saw me and my crew up in their town or on freights and they said "Cool! Ima do that!" And they bought a can of shit paint and scribbled somewhere and wondered why it didn't look like what they were copying. That was me ten years ago, as much as I'd like to erase some of those early years and attempts.
theres been a couple SFC tags around and shit like that
that game destroyed those letters. about a year before that game came out, i started painting with a friend of mine. neither of us are serious about it, and don't paint, but we do have a hidden wall that we can go to with a twelve pack and and some cans. so as a joke, we called ourselves the "Sexual Frankenstein Crew." it was really just a joke between us, based on how some crews start. then that game came out, and SFC was tainted. i was/still am pissed because i did some stickers with it on there, and i liked the name.
i've only been writing for about 6 months now, but im already throwing pieces
i've only been in 1 crew, which i am still in, we started it about 2 months ago and we've got almost 80 writers
but i like the idea of only having 3-6 good writers in a krew
but its all the same and it just comes down to getting up more, 80 writers can get up alot more then 6
i've only been writing for about 6 months now, but im already throwing pieces
i've only been in 1 crew, which i am still in, we started it about 2 months ago and we've got almost 80 writers
but i like the idea of only having 3-6 good writers in a krew
but its all the same and it just comes down to getting up more, 80 writers can get up alot more then 6
You're a toy.
80 writes? Joking right?
I disagree, you don't know much.
i dont push crews unless every single person in the crew is a good friend of mine. large ass crews arent crews. they are networks. the only good thing about being in a big crew is when you travel you almost always have a spot to stay at.
and i disagree with the lot of you. this thread holds some merit.
too much sunshine makes a desert.
.the Bay Area Casual.
Are Crews Dead? -
08-02-2007, 07:39 AM
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08-02-2007, 07:49 AM
