[lord_casek]

stereotype: i agree. military service doesn't make one a saint. i don't think of anyone in the military as a saint. i think of them as toughened fighting machines. except for the navy. i think of them as faggots on a boat. (i'm only joking, theo. i respect all branches)

larry: different people do it for different reasons. most of them love their country and understand that military service is serving their country and are pretty patriotic people.more so than most americans, anyway.

some do it for college money, some do it because it's in the family, some do it for on the job training.


purple mushroom: listen, mini-noam, you need to back the fuck up. there's no military worship going on. can you differentiate between what is worship and what is respect?

[Stereotype V.0002]

Originally Posted by Decyferon (View Original Post)

my problem is I cannot respect them because they are knowingly joining a force that is at the disposal of the government to fight the governments agendas. It is nothing to do with defending your nation because the majority of the time you are not defending your nation you are backing up a political decision made by big business and politicians looking to line their own pockets.

The problem is a lot of people are forced into the military due to economic reasons, education and family pressures and the government can utilise these unfortunate souls for their own benefits.

All the radical left wing talking points aside, people in the military are in service of their country. And the argument that everyone in the military was forced in because of financial reasons is bullshit, you make a significant amount more at mcdonalds than you do as a private in the US army.... and even military families are trying to talk their kids out of joining. But it is a waste trying to make this argument, its easier for people like you to think that everyone in the military must have been suckered or forced in as opposed to having convictions they are willing to back up, so whatever floats your boat.

[Stereotype V.0002]

Originally Posted by thecoldmidwest (View Original Post)

(he didn't have a drop of jewish blood in him)

I have to ask, whats the point of emphasizing this?

[Decyferon]

Originally Posted by Stereotype V.0002 (View Original Post)

All the radical left wing talking points aside, people in the military are in service of their country. And the argument that everyone in the military was forced in because of financial reasons is bullshit, you make a significant amount more at mcdonalds than you do as a private in the US army.... and even military families are trying to talk their kids out of joining. But it is a waste trying to make this argument, its easier for people like you to think that everyone in the military must have been suckered or forced in as opposed to having convictions they are willing to back up, so whatever floats your boat.

I certainly don't believe that everyone is suckered into the army, some people do have an over inflated sense of pride in their country so are willing to put their lives on the line, other people just generally want to be in the army, others don't have the choice. So like the rest of you I can only talk about my own opinion on the matter, and I would fight for my country if it was a worthwhile cause but so far nothing in my life has been a worthwhile cause to go to war and risk dying for

[thecoldmidwest]

Originally Posted by Stereotype V.0002 (View Original Post)

I have to ask, whats the point of emphasizing this?

because of past experiences, that's what people always assume. We're taught in school like their the only one's that died.

[lord_casek]

Originally Posted by thecoldmidwest (View Original Post)

because of past experiences, that's what people always assume. We're taught in school like their the only one's that died.

most educated people know that gays, jews, germans with no jewish blood, catholics, etc. were rounded up.

[thecoldmidwest]

Originally Posted by lord_casek (View Original Post)

most educated people know that gays, jews, germans with no jewish blood, catholics, etc. were rounded up.

..The Polish, Czech, Slovak, Ukrainians, Serbs....

Men, women, and children civilians.

[russell jones]

Originally Posted by lord_casek (View Original Post)

well, it's not so mindless on my side. for some it might be and i realize that.
when most young people sign up for the military, they aren't signing up for
a job where they get to live out their weird gta 3 fantasies. they are signing up
because they are (mostly) patriotic people who believe in their country.
granted, the military does let some sick fucks in, but that's how it's always been.
don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch.

what i respect is that they are willingly going in and saying they would gladly give their lives to defend their country and countrymen.

if you understand how military works, they don't make the choices as to where they go or what they do. they just do their jobs. it's a shame that people don't realize that sometimes.

and yeah, it sucks that governments use their soldiers to do some pretty bad things.
the current war is just fucked up in my opinion. and when these boys come home, they don't get very good medical care at all. in vietnam, they got spit on when they came home. like it was their choice to go in and do that shit. that makes me sick.



when knox hauled those big cannons to boston from cambridge to take out the hessians...through snow and ice....when our forefathers, with barely 13% of the nation in support of revolution beat the british out of our country....when we took hitlers army down...when our troops stormed iwo jima and beat the japanese back....

that is the military i like. that is the military i support.

truth right there... someone has to do it, I wouldn't, but I understand that warriors must exist in our society and they deserve our respect for the reasons casek has mentioned.

That being said, being enamored with violence would only seem to be a benefit to a foot soldier rather than a problem. Warriors kill people, that's what they do, so they might as well love their job.

[lord_casek]

Originally Posted by russell jones (View Original Post)

truth right there... someone has to do it, I wouldn't, but I understand that warriors must exist in our society and they deserve our respect for the reasons casek has mentioned.

That being said, being enamored with violence would only seem to be a benefit to a foot soldier rather than a problem. Warriors kill people, that's what they do, so they might as well love their job.

thanks,. and very true, but we don't want dipshits like the jarhead who threw the puppy off the cliff. we want real men who want to take down the enemy and watch their fellow troops backs and maintain on the battlefield. we don't want john rambo, gta, doom 3, psycho billy buttshot there.