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I do agree with Christo's comment about the extreme stance taken on this but as you know I do enjoy these debates and do appreciate your view points - I know it is good to not be too trustful but I do find sometimes that yourself and AOD are sometimes too untrusting and I suppose that is what makes these debates so much fun lol
everyone knows my viewpoint on the guns debate also
Neither of us are paranoid delusionals who "trust no one".
When you read the founding fathers works, you learn that you
are not to trust a govt. Ever.
AOD has used this quote from General George Washington a few times.
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
Stop trolling with the dumb tin foil hat pics and stupid comments and maybe I would converse with you like a normal human. You became irrelevant once the trolling started.
Don't get me wrong, when I close this window (browser), I don't walk away cursing any of you guys that I disagree with. I simply walk away and carry on with my life. You should do the same instead of picking some stupid tinfoil hat Simpsons image from google search and trolling thread after thread. Do I do that to you?
Don't get it twisted, after I tried participating in a few of your threads you made it clear you aren't here to debate, you're here to push your paranoid agenda. Thus trolling you seems much more fruitful and entertaining, after all this is the internet and it's srs bzns. I like to read through threads in crossfire; but you make like 25% of posts on this forum so I often find myself reading some delusional BS from you. A quick dismissive troll image is much easier and more appropriate, since you have shown that you won't take thoughtful replies into consideration anyway (unless they agree with you.) It's funny to read your reactions and you provide a fascinating window into a delusional, neurotic mind. Thanks for the laughs doggie.
Don't get it twisted, after I tried participating in a few of your threads you made it clear you aren't here to debate, you're here to push your paranoid agenda. Thus trolling you seems much more fruitful and entertaining, after all this is the internet and it's srs bzns. I like to read through threads in crossfire; but you make like 25% of posts on this forum so I often find myself reading some delusional BS from you. A quick dismissive troll image is much easier and more appropriate, since you have shown that you won't take thoughtful replies into consideration anyway (unless they agree with you.) It's funny to read your reactions and you provide a fascinating window into a delusional, neurotic mind. Thanks for the laughs doggie.
I hope you're knowledgeable about security b/c if you ever do somehow get to me and piss me off, it's on. If you like trolling that much, I can show you what I do to trolls on other sites.
Not a threat, just sayin'.
As for making threads on crossfire, very few people come here, so I post. I like crossfire. It keeps the idiots from Channel Zero from coming in here. The regulars, I dig. Even the people I disagree with.
Delusional? Really? I don't think people are coming to get me. I don't hole up in my basement clutching my gun screaming "YOU DAMN DIRTY APES!" and reading the latest NRA publicraption.
I'm a pretty down to earth guy. I like normal things like politics, growing my garden, reading, etc.
People like you seem hellbent on calling anything you don't completely understand that of fiction or delusion.
Am I a racist, too? You do know I don't like Obama. I must be a racist.
I hope you're knowledgeable about security b/c if you ever do somehow get to me and piss me off, it's on. If you like trolling that much, I can show you what I do to trolls on other sites.
Not a threat, just sayin'.
Haha, it's not like that man. I'm not trying to make you mad, I just don't think you should take this shit too seriously. If it really bugs you, I'll leave you alone.
As for making threads on crossfire, very few people come here, so I post. I like crossfire. It keeps the idiots from Channel Zero from coming in here. The regulars, I dig. Even the people I disagree with.
I've been coming to this site for quite a long time and I've always looked at crossfire. You often come off as fanatical and unreasonable. Paranoid, too. I'm not the only one who sees it that way. A reason for this is you seem unable to accept criticism. For example, in the thread about "Obama's climate czar," I recognized that Holdren's ideas regarding overpopulation, while eccentric, do not appear as inhuman and "insane" as you were presenting them to be. The article you posted, upon further inspection, appeared highly biased. Your response (in addition to angry-sounding negaprops) was to call me a "fruitcake" and decide my ideas were "eugenicist" and "malthusian." This shows a lack of respect for my reasoned opinion and a tendency to lump other people's thoughts into these pre-defined belief systems. I form opinions on these sort of things in a case-by-case manner, and believe the different sides of an argument both have valid points and the truth is often very difficult to define. It is impossible for me to respond to someone who holds such an extreme viewpoint (i.e., "Obama's Climate Czar is fucking insane") and then assumes immediately that I am a proponent of the opposite extreme viewpoint (i.e., die-hard eugenicist). Things are not so black and white.
This is a criticism. I'm not trying to insult you or troll you here, I'm not sitting here pissed off, just perplexed; I will consider your response.
Delusional? Really? I don't think people are coming to get me. I don't hole up in my basement clutching my gun screaming "YOU DAMN DIRTY APES!" and reading the latest NRA publicraption.
Again, that is the extreme version of what I said. You make a lot of comments about how certain policies/politicians are "fascist" and/or "socialist." I find this unrealistic and polarizing.
People like you seem hellbent on calling anything you don't completely understand that of fiction or delusion.
I consider the evidence you present and often find it seriously lacking or taken out of context. Based on the definition I posted many of your ideas do seem delusional.
Am I a racist, too? You do know I don't like Obama. I must be a racist.
I didn't vote in the last election. I do think Obama is a much smarter president than Bush, and will prove to be a better leader. I don't think he's perfect, and I'm sure he will make plenty of mistakes. I do like that he appears to be less beholden to ideologies and is willing to consider new ideas. We will see. I personally find politics kind of shallow, but political topics can sometimes be interesting. The type of assumption you're making here is what alienates your ideas from many people in crossfire, myself included.
Re: Obama: The New George Bush -
08-18-2009, 10:23 PM
the problem is that no matter what articles anyone puts forward, as part of their arguement, will tend to be biased towards the view of the author, there is not really such a thing as unbiased jouranlism anymore, WE need to look into all viewpoints and establish what we believe to be correct that is all we can do as intelligent human beings
Credit Cards & Apple Pies
Lord give me patience because if you give me strength I may beat someone to death.
Re: Obama: The New George Bush -
08-18-2009, 10:29 PM
Nope. I don't want you to leave. I was just saying, keep trolling and I will treat you like a troll. It's not anywhere near that point. I keep my cool these days on crossfire. Used to get really pissed off and argue, argue, and argue some more.
It's a weird thing with waking up to what is going on. You get extremely angry at first, then you start to understand that a lot of people aren't all that interested in what is going on
and get even more angry. I'm at the point now where I see the world as a different place
and find that if I can plant the seed of liberty in just one person, it can have a bigger impact than trying to tell the masses all at once.
As for Holdren, dude is a psychopath in my humble opinion. You're welcome to make your own judgments, though.
Me being alienated from others really doesn't bother me. I will press forward no matter what people think or say. It's the internet.
As for criticism, there are people here who I pay more attention to as far as writings than others. Some have polar opposite views. Because I don't directly respond doesn't mean I'm not paying attention.
Re: Obama: The New George Bush -
08-19-2009, 07:36 AM
Yeah, attack the argument, not the man.
Casek and I lock horns on most issues and sometimes get frustrated with each other's views. But he's always treated me with respect and I'd also wager that he's a decent bloke IRL as well.
Re: Obama: The New George Bush -
08-19-2009, 09:28 AM
I apologize, but I didn't read the entire thread. However, the title just reminded me of a recurring argument I've been having with myself that I haven't been willing to say out loud.
But the past 8 years have made me so cynical, hopeless, and paranoid that I do believe that Obama is there for a reason, and not because 'our voice has been heard'. I think the US government has been overthrown somewhere along the way (before bush), and we're controlled by some other accumulation of power, and in ways we often don't realize, and maybe a lot of politicians don't realize either.
I've yet to take that breath of fresh air that a lot of folks are taking because of Obama. The only thing I can say so far is that he's got charisma, and sounds like an intelligent man of the modern world when he speaks. Which is only one thing more than Bush had (to oversimplify).
About half way through Dubya's 2nd term I left the US. I was trying to be righteous through all the bullshit and try as hard as I could to be objective and rap with my peers, only to escape for selfish reasons. I like my little bubble in this foreign country where I can't read the signs, can't understand what people are speaking about, and even if I did watch TV, I wouldn't know what the fuck they're saying. In a lot of ways I feel like a little kid again.
Lastly, I don't know if this is a mistake on my part or not; but since I've been in this bubble for a few years now, I made the decision to come back on 12oz, in an effort to get my finger on the pulse again. I've always felt that 12oz is a good place for that, just as long as you're smart and use discretion.
Now I'm gonna go check out that pics of hot girls thread, I bet there's a thousand new pages on there by now...
If this is directed at me, I can only say I have responded to certain comments with the same level of respect given to me. That is, none. It might clarify to note that I try to speak from a more detached and, hopefully, objective vantage point (I understand the problems inherent in this.) I don't hold many "beliefs" (yeah yeah yeah) and it is difficult for me to express adequate respect for those who do. Some arguments in crossfire are to me more a matter of factual accuracy than arbitrary "belief" or preference. I suppose this is not true for others. Of course, I recognize that this is the internet and I'm on here to dick around; I often come across much more serious than I intend when writing. I don't really care, this is the way I learned to write, I think it lends to more forceful expression of opinion and there is some value in that.
Re: Obama: The New George Bush -
08-19-2009, 03:11 PM
Mainframe, you've got to understand that a lot of people are very passionate about liberty. We're seeing it sucked dry from our country and will take every opportunity to try to get
people to think about it for even one second, minute, hour, etc.
I can assure you that I'm not some wingnut militiaman or some ufo nut wearing a tin foil and
preaching at people who walk down the street about how alien Jesus is coming to restore the
fruit republic on the streets of America.
Re: Obama: The New George Bush -
08-19-2009, 04:59 PM
IT was directed in general, Mainframe. I'm not going to point fingers or have an opinion on however you and Casek came to ruin such a beautiful relationship together. When everyone first saw you guys together we all said amongst ourselves that you were both the perfect couple. I wish my Mum and Dad had been so happy together. But, these things sometimes turn sour and that is how life goes. I think at times like that it is best for the two of you to sit down together and discuss what is the best way out of it for you, the kids and the goldfish. Either way, just know that none of us are going to take sides and that we are al friends with the both of you.
But just as long as you know, Casek is a tin foil wearing wingnut militia man.
IT was directed in general, Mainframe. I'm not going to point fingers or have an opinion on however you and Casek came to ruin such a beautiful relationship together. When everyone first saw you guys together we all said amongst ourselves that you were both the perfect couple. I wish my Mum and Dad had been so happy together. But, these things sometimes turn sour and that is how life goes. I think at times like that it is best for the two of you to sit down together and discuss what is the best way out of it for you, the kids and the goldfish. Either way, just know that none of us are going to take sides and that we are al friends with the both of you.
But just as long as you know, Casek is a tin foil wearing wingnut militia man.
Re: Obama: The New George Bush -
08-27-2009, 02:27 AM
all you hippies with your obama "peace sign in the O" stickers on your volvos...thinkin he was the god damned second-coming...all i gotta say is a simple, "haha." Giant douche/turd sandwich...doesnt matter... they all suck. Its just amazing, the political boners you all had for him...and now look. Now if you'll excuse me, i gotta go piss on the grave an alcholic liberal peice of shit murderer. rot in hell teddy.
"ok im kinda worryed here since my g/f got pregant and all she isnt been havein her period do you think the baby is drinkin the blood?? she 6 month pregant"
John Pilger is not exactly the poster boy for honest research/reporting.
I do like a few of the books that he's written and the sentiment he holds, but he has been caught out a number of times reporting/claiming untruths. He was originally a journo.
Alex Jones and the people who follow he hysterical kind of polarised thought are just as guilty as the "dishonest" people they pursue. He/they deliberately look for information that suits their view, completely misrepresent information and statements and have very very little actual substance as to what they call "evidence".
I feel there is very little honest research and understanding of matters from the people like Alex Jones.
Massive confirmation bias and selective analysis. They seem to not be intersted in the truth, more so in just proving their version of the truth right. Which is also the way I see organisations such as FoxNews and Heritage Foundation, etc.
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08-18-2009, 09:17 PM
