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Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-29-2010, 05:05 PM
but at the same time, revolutions have changed the world. sure it might have ended up turning into the same thing it was fighting against (and worse) but i don't think that has to be the case. it's impossible to revolt now anyways though, as long as the fat cats hold the technology they keep the power.. 'resistance is futile'
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-29-2010, 05:40 PM
Oohhhh, I wouldn't be too sure about that. Kyrgyzstan had a revolt in Q1 this year and that replaced a guy who came in through revolution himself. Georgia had the Rose Revolution, Ukraine had the Orange revolution and it all kicked off with Milosovic regime being kicked out and taken before the courts by university students. Egypt and China have to work hard in keeping their shit together too and Myanmar has bombings and insurgencies attempting to over-throw them. Revolutions away from communism seem to have been the norm since the 1980s, though.
The more oppressive a regime is the more at risk of revolt they are. If there was no risk of power being over-thrown there would be no need for oppression.
Nothing futile or wrong with resisting illegitimate power, you just got to make sure that you actually understand what is going on otherwise you end up jumping at shadows and wasting your efforts.
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-29-2010, 05:58 PM
It's all nice and stuff that you want a single world government ruled by communism, and I'm assuming you mean actual communism not the totalitarian communism that is in existence today. You probably fall along the lines of my father, who is a socialist, or my grandfather who was a communist and was a marxist-leninist. Here's my problem with it...
If there is a government like this in place, and let's say it was communist or socialist in nature (which is funny that you suggest that, because that is actually what is being suggested and attempted) do you honestly believe it would be run by the people? I don't believe resistance is futile, but I do believe fat cats want to stay fat and even if this kind of one world order were possible and claimed to be benevolent, honest, run by the people, constituted, etc. do you really think it wouldn't be corrupt?
but yea, that's pretty funny though that the first person responds with exactly that. you do realize that is exactly the kind of system being set up right? except minus the non-totalitarian part?
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If you can't even define something, which should take all of about two lines (hell, I could even define the "NWO" as you see it and I don't even believe it!) then how on earth do you even understand it, let alone make an argument for it?
I'm really interested to see you give my definition of the NWO in 2 lines.
that's why i call for salary caps. with out too much loot available, there's no need to be corrupt. and with the people running the state, corruption could be easier to dismiss from power.
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-29-2010, 06:14 PM
ok maybe, but if you cap the salary on individuals in society who are attempting to make a fortune, and the people who already have fortunes are in control of the society that is now a one world government underneath a socialist/communist system... don't you see something wrong with that picture?
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-29-2010, 06:37 PM
Not for nothing but politicians who are corrupt and steal, make annual salaries. The benefits and kick backs they take, have absolutely nothing to do with their "salary". You could put a cap to it. It would do nothing, but perhaps make people who could actually want the job, to not want it.
Not for nothing but politicians who are corrupt and steal, make annual salaries. The benefits and kick backs they take, have absolutely nothing to do with their "salary". You could put a cap to it. It would do nothing, but perhaps make people who could actually want the job, to not want it.
Another way to look at it is that the more you restrict a person's capability for personal gain the more motivation they have to be corrupt.
The argument can be made that the more you pay them the less reason they will have to be corrupt.
Corruption isn't only a financial matter either. It can also take form of power/control, ego, sex, violence, ideology, etc.
ok maybe, but if you cap the salary on individuals in society who are attempting to make a fortune, and the people who already have fortunes are in control of the society that is now a one world government underneath a socialist/communist system... don't you see something wrong with that picture?
Not trying to pick on you but that doesn't make any sense, as in the way you have written it.
You might have a good point here but I can't work out what it is.
You are mixing three points together or making one point in an overly convoluted way. Try making three points or structuring it for clarity.
As I said, not trying to sound like your teacher or some shit, just trying to work out what it is that you're saying.
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-29-2010, 07:47 PM
nah you're right that sentence is badly structured.
uhmm...
The point I was trying to make is that he is claiming that a salary cap would deter corruption. But, a salary cap would only affect individuals in society that are attempting to create a fortune for themselves and their families. Those families, lineages, and elitists who already have fortunes wouldn't be concerned with something such as a salary cap because it wouldn't effect them. They would already be in control of the technology and the means to control a society underneath a one world government, so they would actually prefer a collectivist system such as communism or socialism since it would allow consolidation of private property and economic regulation that they would be in charge of. This is actually the groundwork for the international system of global governance that is being established, and there are many marxist-leninists pushing this agenda. I'm not even saying marxism is bad or anything like that either, but the point I'm trying to make is that this wouldn't have any effect on the current establishment of order and wouldn't deter corruption because those who are already in power over the current establishment would remain in power over a so called communist/socialist one world government. It would become a totalitarian communist global government, and probably naturally deteriorate into a global fascism or despotism.
I personally don't believe though that a NWO would ever be able to accomplish or establish a single one world government, unless there were a major catastrophic crises or massive political event like a World War III. Until then, only international cooperation and global governance is possible for the globalist agenda, due to the amount of backlash against their movement which the world has become conscious of as Brzeziniski pointed out. However, I do believe personally that if it weren't for all of the crazy "conspiracy theorists" like Alex Jones and the like, a lot of these globalist agendas would be much further along the path of completion and we would be much deeper in the woods then we are currently, because people just simply wouldn't be aware of these issues.
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-29-2010, 08:27 PM
Oh man, the whole colour revolution gig is a Western intelligence trip. Take note how they are all in former Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries, apart from Iran but that was a bit of a different story as far as I can tell.
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-30-2010, 11:40 PM
Look, I know you think the dude is nuts and I don't disagree with you entirely but I do think this interview is really interesting and worth a listen... it's 10 parts so it's a bit on the long side, but it's between Opie & Anthony (popular American radio talkshow hosts, maybe you've heard of them) and Alex Jones. THey begin the interview as skeptics and ask Alex some really good questions about his interpretation of the NWO. If you have the time, I would suggest listening to it and even commenting on it here.
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-30-2010, 11:43 PM
and christo-f this is for you, earlier in this discussion/thread/argument you said that the Dollar being removed as the world standard was far off from happening.
and christo-f this is for you, earlier in this discussion/thread/argument you said that the Dollar being removed as the world standard was far off from happening.
Very little that the UN has said should happen, is actually politically expedient for the member nations. The UN is very good at generating lofty ideals, but not historically very good at finding a way to implement them.
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
07-02-2010, 10:55 PM
zeitgeist?
I counted all my blessings, and I counted only one,
one tiny little blessing, and now that blessing's gone,
so buy me one more drink my brother, and I'll take to the road,
yes I'll take it to the rain, and I'll take to the snow,
well my friend my only brother, do not let the party grieve
Now throw a dollar on the bar, then kiss my ass and leave.
currency shouldn't be based on what we have, it should be based off of what needs done.
How can it be based off something that dosent exist yet?
TEAM CHUBB LUBB.
I'd get the Rx8 just so I can mess with the magical spinning dorito motor.
Thank you for providing us with the direct-port nitrous... uh... injection, four-core intercoolers, an' ball-bearing turbos, and... um... titanium valve springs..
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
07-03-2010, 01:17 AM
explain what you mean by needed.
currency based off of what?
TEAM CHUBB LUBB.
I'd get the Rx8 just so I can mess with the magical spinning dorito motor.
Thank you for providing us with the direct-port nitrous... uh... injection, four-core intercoolers, an' ball-bearing turbos, and... um... titanium valve springs..
Re: What is wrong with the New World Order. The Global Government Debate Thread -
06-29-2010, 05:05 PM
