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Originally posted by HESHIANDET:
i've made some peresonal revelations out of this tragedy, and i hope others have as well.
oh yeah....ALL of my priorities are all flipped around now. I was stuck in traffic this morning going to work (NOT important on my list) and i was looking at the trees and sky..........i havent "really" looked at trees and nature in general in a while..... I guess im just starting to appreciate everything i have soooo much more now.
i cant watch that fuckin second plane crash anymore.....my friend was on that flight. I cry uncontrollably everytime i think about it, much less see it.
R.I.P. Shawn Nassaney 9.11.01
[This message has been edited by nipples-galore (edited 09-13-2001).]
How can 5 people with box cutters steal a plane????I've been thinking about the hero factor all night where was it this time????
I notice some of my other post have been erased when I joked about this whole thing.Why is that?Like I said before if that happened in canada all of you fucks would have some half way witty comment about it.
I think this will do the world of good for the american people...your not safe!your not safe in the self proclaimed rulers of the world.This may bring you all togather and maybe you'll drop the bullshit.I've said it before and I will say it again....SWEDEN RUNS TINGS!
again how can a few guys just jack a plane with knifes???what the fuck?
This is just seriously insane like how could this happen.
[This message has been edited by Frate Raper (edited 09-13-2001).]
an islamic mosque in dallas was shot up yesterday. luckily there were no lives lost. i am all for humans taking responsibiliy for what the world has came to, but why must we persecute these innocent people for something they didnt do. if we all abided by this, i would still be suffering for the klan's actions...
think before you use your derogatory terms... what did they do to deserve your hate.
man i cant believe that it has been 2 years since this happend. I can remember i was watching the news at work when this shit went down. I had to go to a probation meeting that day but when i got to the county building people were running all out of the building and shit walkin through the streets like they were crazy. They closed down so many streets it didnt make any sense. surreal.
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you guys should read some of the comments made one the day this happened.a lot of people had very different opinions on this but almost everyone thought that the people behind this were going to be killed soon.i cant believe that fucker has been on the run for almost 2 years now.well i would advise you to read some of the past posts. not to mock anybody but some posts display some pretty interesting views.but yeah it seems like this shit happened just a little bit ago.sureal yes...
whoa, i just read through this whole thing...
hindsight is a trip..
it's really amazing how one of the most fundamental
questions from that day has yet to really be talked
about in the mainstream press and television..
why?
who could've predicted that team bush would
do everything they could to fuck the 9/11
investigation..?
wow, I just now remembered everything from that day...I woke up to go to school and im sitting eating this cinnamon bun, and im watching TODAY and they flicked to one of the twin towers burning...im thinking "well thats a little weird"...I drive to school and I get into class and everyone is freaking...saying how planes are crashing everywhere...and im thinking "well thats a little weird" and then everyone started getting pissed off at my friend abduhl cause he's arab from pakistan and that day sucked...
wow i remember when it happened...some dumbass of a kid in school said that "he seen this movie before" what an idiot....so sad that day was, i didnt have any direct relations to anyone who died because of the events but just seeing the people touches a chord. i been to the sept 11th memorial in the museum of history in dc..let me tell you the letters some people wrote and being able to see the wreckage up close enough to touch was really erie(sp?), rip to those who died because of these cowards
you enjoy myself said "the morons really shine in this thread."
You got a good point BROWNer. Why, that's what I want to know. But I guess when your caught up in the momentum of the moment, when then feelings take over logic, well people don't really look for answers. Sad. sad sadness.
Yeah, and what about the warnings? What about that F.B.I. agent they shut up? All this prior knowledge. The chatter of terrorist activity. The ominously unifying thread of oil.
I'm so tired of all this. I was really treated bad during all of this. Hell I'm still treated bad. Matter of fact I've always been treated bad.
I need to get me a boat and just float away....
"The TSOG stalketh the land and the serfs bow and worship it. It stealeth property, it burneth neighborhoods, it foully killeth all opposition. Ye think it only doth its violence to black people, or Hispanics, or kooks with odd religions, but its hand is at your own throat even now. TSOG fthagn! What--are ye stupid, or something?"
--Abdul Alhazred, The TSOGonomicon
Originally posted by bobobi11 NEW YORK -- The United States just declared a state of war against terrorists this morning following a chaotic course of events across the nation, NBC reports.
In a horrific sequence of destruction, terrorists crashed two planes into the World Trade Center and the twin 110-story towers collapsed Tuesday morning. Explosions also rocked the Pentagon and the State Department and spread fear across the nation. streaming video
Authorities had been trying to evacuate those who work in the twin towers, but many were thought to have been trapped. About 50,000 people work at the Trade Center.
"This is perhaps the most audacious terrorist attack that's ever taken place in the world," said Chris Yates, an aviation expert at Jane's Transport in London. "It takes a logistics operation from the terror group involved that is second to none. Only a very small handful of terror groups is on that list. ... I would name at the top of the list Osama bin Laden."
President Bush ordered a full-scale investigation to "hunt down the folks who committed this act."
Within the hour, an aircraft crashed on a helicopter landing pad near the Pentagon, and the White House, the Pentagon and the Capitol were evacuated.
One of the planes that crashed into the Trade Center was American Airlines Flight 11, hijacked after takeoff from Boston en route to Los Angeles, the airline said. American Airlines issued a statement saying it had "lost" two aircraft -- Flight 11, with 92 people aboard, and Flight 77 from Washington to Los Angeles, carrying 64 people.
In Pennsylvania, United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757 en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco, crashed about 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. The fate of those aboard was not immediately known and it was not clear if the crash was related to the disasters elsewhere. In a statement, the airline also said it was deeply concerned about another plane, Flight 175, a Boeing 767 bound from Boston to Los Angeles.
Authorities went on alert from coast to coast, halting all air traffic, evacuating high-profile buildings and tightening security at strategic installations. The Situation Room at the White House was in full operation.
At the World Trade Center, "everyone was screaming, crying, running, cops, people, firefighters, everyone," said Mike Smith, a fire marshal. "It's like a war zone."
"I just saw the building I work in come down," said businessman Gabriel Ioan, shaking in shock outside City Hall, a cloud of smoke and ash from the World Trade Center behind him. "I just saw the top of Trade Two come down."
Nearby a crowd mobbed a man on a pay phone, screaming at him to get off the phone so that they could call relatives. Dust and dirt flew everywhere. Ash was 2 to 3 inches deep in places. People wandered dazed and terrified.
Evacuations were ordered at the United Nations in New York and at the Sears Tower in Chicago. Los Angeles mobilized its anti-terrorism division, and security was intensified around the naval facilities in Hampton Roads, Va.
The planes blasted fiery, gaping holes in the upper floors of the twin towers. A witness said he saw bodies falling and people jumping out. About an hour later, the southern tower collapsed with a roar and a huge cloud of smoke; the other tower fell about a half-hour after that, covering lower Manhattan in heaps of gray rubble and broken glass. Firefighters trapped in the rubble radioed for help.
"Today we've had a national tragedy," Bush said in Sarasota, Fla. "Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country." He said he would be returning immediately to Washington.
The crashes at the World Trade Center happened minutes apart, beginning just before 9 a.m., EST.
Heavy black smoke billowed into the sky above one of New York City's most famous landmarks, and debris rained down on the street, one of the city's busiest work areas. When the second plane hit, a fireball of flame and smoke erupted, leaving a huge hole in the glass and steel tower.
John Axisa, who was getting off a commuter train to the World Trade Center, said he saw "bodies falling out" of the building. He said he ran outside, and watched people jump out of the first building. Then there was a second explosion, and he felt heat on the back of neck.
WCBS-TV, citing an FBI agent, said five or six people jumped out of the windows. Witnesses on the street screamed every time another person leaped.
People ran down the stairs in panic and fled the building. Thousands of pieces of what appeared to be office paper drifted over Brooklyn, about three miles away.
Several subway lines were immediately shut down. Trading on Wall Street was suspended. New York's mayoral primary election was postponed. All bridges and tunnels into Manhattan were closed down.
David Reck was handing out literature for a candidate for public advocate a few blocks away when he saw a jet come in "very low, and then it made a slight twist and dove into the building."
Terrorist bombers struck the World Trade Center in February 1993, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000 others.
"A second occurrence is just beyond belief," said Ira Furber, former National Transportation Safety Board spokesman.
"It's just sick. It just shows how vulnerable we really are," Keith Meyers, 39, said in Columbus, Ohio. "It kind of makes you want to go home and spend time with your family. It puts everything in perspective," Meyers said. He said he called to check in with his wife. They have two young children.
In New York, "we heard a large boom and then we saw all this debris just falling," said Harriet Grimm, who was inside a bookstore on the World Trade Center's first floor when the first explosion rocked the building.
"The plane was coming in low and ... it looked like it hit at a slight angle," said Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, the network reported.
In 1945, an Army Air Corps B-25, a twin-engine bomber, crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building in dense fog.
In Florida, Bush was reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m., EST when his chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered into his ear. The president briefly turned somber before he resumed reading. He addressed the tragedy about a half-hour later.
AND WHEN/IF YALL VOTE IN NOVEMBER REMEMBER THAT THE BUSH FAMILLY/ADMINISTRATIONS NOT ONLY CONTRIBUTED TO INSTIGATING THIS MUCH HATRED FOR US (JOE AVERAGE AMERICAN), BUT THAT INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON GETTING THE MOTHERFUCKERS RESPONSIBLE, HE PUT ALL HIS/HIS ADMINISTRATIONS ENERGIES INTO TWISTING THIS EVENT INTO AN EXCUSE TO FINISH HIS FATHERS WAR AGAINST IRAQ (WHO HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11).
Originally posted by Dusty Lipschitz for those of you know who Michael Moore is, good. For those who don't, you should educate yourself to him. http://www.michaelmoore.com/
my man is intelligent, interesting, and works hard at exposing the truth. the real truth. and sometimes, the awful truth. here is his experience surrounding yesterdays horrific events. it tends to shed some light on a few things.
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Death, Downtown
Dear friends,
I was supposed to fly today on the 4:30 PM American Airlines flight from LAX to JFK. But tonight I find myself stuck in L.A. with an incredible range of emotions over what has happened on the island where I work and live in New York City.
My wife and I spent the first hours of the day -- after being awakened by phone calls from our parents at 6:40am PT -- trying to contact our daughter at school in New York and our friend JoAnn who works near the World Trade Center.
I called JoAnn at her office. As someone picked up, the first tower imploded, and the person answering the phone screamed and ran out, leaving me no clue as to whether or not she or JoAnn would live.
It was a sick, horrible, frightening day.
On December 27, 1985 I found myself caught in the middle of a terrorist incident at the Vienna airport -- which left 30 people dead, both there and at the Rome airport. (The machine-gunning of passengers in each city was timed to occur at the same moment.)
I do not feel like discussing that event tonight because it still brings up too much despair and confusion as to how and why I got to live… a fluke, a mistake, a few feet on the tarmac, and I am still here, there but for the grace of…
Safe. Secure. I’m an American, living in America. I like my illusions. I walk through a metal detector, I put my carry-ons through an x-ray machine, and I know all will be well.
Here’s a short list of my experiences lately with airport security:
* At the Newark Airport, the plane is late at boarding everyone. The counter can’t find my seat. So I am told to just “go ahead and get on” -- without a ticket!
* At Detroit Metro Airport, I don’t want to put the lunch I just bought at the deli through the x-ray machine so, as I pass through the metal detector, I hand the sack to the guard through the space between the detector and the x-ray machine. I tell him “It’s just a sandwich.” He believes me and doesn’t bother to check. The sack has gone through neither security device.
* At LaGuardia in New York, I check a piece of luggage, but decide to catch a later plane. The first plane leaves without me, but with my bag -- no one knowing what is in it.
* Back in Detroit, I take my time getting off the commuter plane. By the time I have come down its stairs, the bus that takes the passengers to the terminal has left -- without me. I am alone on the tarmac, free to wander wherever I want. So I do. Eventually, I flag down a pick-up truck and an airplane mechanic gives me a ride the rest of the way to the terminal.
* I have brought knives, razors; and once, my traveling companion brought a hammer and chisel. No one stopped us.
Of course, I have gotten away with all of this because the airlines consider my safety SO important, they pay rent-a-cops $5.75 an hour to make sure the bad guys don’t get on my plane. That is what my life is worth -- less than the cost of an oil change.
Too harsh, you say? Well, chew on this: a first-year pilot on American Eagle (the commuter arm of American Airlines) receives around $15,000 a year in annual pay.
That’s right -- $15,000 for the person who has your life in his hands. Until recently, Continental Express paid a little over $13,000 a year. There was one guy, an American Eagle pilot, who had four kids so he went down to the welfare office and applied for food stamps -- and he was eligible!
Someone on welfare is flying my plane? Is this for real? Yes, it is.
So spare me the talk about all the precautions the airlines and the FAA is taking. They, like all businesses, are concerned about one thing -- the bottom line and the profit margin.
Four teams of 3-5 people were all able to penetrate airport security on the same morning at 3 different airports and pull off this heinous act? My only response is -- that’s all?
Well, the pundits are in full diarrhea mode, gushing on about the “terrorist threat” and today’s scariest dude on planet earth -- Osama bin Laden. Hey, who knows, maybe he did it. But, something just doesn’t add up.
Am I being asked to believe that this guy who sleeps in a tent in a desert has been training pilots to fly our most modern, sophisticated jumbo jets with such pinpoint accuracy that they are able to hit these three targets without anyone wondering why these planes were so far off path?
Or am I being asked to believe that there were four religious/political fanatics who JUST HAPPENED to be skilled airline pilots who JUST HAPPENED to want to kill themselves today?
Maybe you can find one jumbo jet pilot willing to die for the cause -- but FOUR? Ok, maybe you can -- I don’t know.
What I do know is that all day long I have heard everything about this bin Laden guy except this one fact -- WE created the monster known as Osama bin Laden!
Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA!
Don’t take my word for it -- I saw a piece on MSNBC last year that laid it all out. When the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan, the CIA trained him and his buddies in how to commits acts of terrorism against the Soviet forces. It worked! The Soviets turned and ran. Bin Laden was grateful for what we taught him and thought it might be fun to use those same techniques against us.
We abhor terrorism -- unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing.
We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me. Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell even remembers!
We fund a lot of oppressive regimes that have killed a lot of innocent people, and we never let the human suffering THAT causes to interrupt our day one single bit.
We have orphaned so many children, tens of thousands around the world, with our taxpayer-funded terrorism (in Chile, in Vietnam, in Gaza, in Salvador) that I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised when those orphans grow up and are a little whacked in the head from the horror we have helped cause.
Yet, our recent domestic terrorism bombings have not been conducted by a guy from the desert but rather by our own citizens: a couple of ex-military guys who hated the federal government.
From the first minutes of today’s events, I never heard that possibility suggested. Why is that?
Maybe it’s because the A-rabs are much better foils. A key ingredient in getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a new enemy is the all-important race card. It’s much easier to get us to hate when the object of our hatred doesn’t look like us.
Congressmen and Senators spent the day calling for more money for the military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn’t want to hear any more talk about more money for education or health care -- we should have only one priority: our self-defense.
Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure when the rest of the world isn’t living in poverty so we can have nice running shoes?
In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again. He withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of the Durban conference on racism, insists on restarting the arms race -- you name it, and Baby Bush has blown it all.
The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a spontaneous version of “God Bless America.” They’re not a bad group of singers!
Yes, God, please do bless us.
Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes’ destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!
Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity…
Let’s mourn, let’s grieve, and when it’s appropriate let’s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.
reading over this thread gave me a very wierd feeling. It's weird how bin laden is a house hold name now but people were struggling to spell his name when it first happened. Everyone was so frantic in the first few pages. All the speculation. Everyone ready to hop on the good foot and shoot who over we pointed out as the "evil doers. "
Originally posted by SF1 AND WHEN/IF YALL VOTE IN NOVEMBER REMEMBER THAT THE BUSH FAMILLY/ADMINISTRATIONS NOT ONLY CONTRIBUTED TO INSTIGATING THIS MUCH HATRED FOR US (JOE AVERAGE AMERICAN), BUT THAT INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON GETTING THE MOTHERFUCKERS RESPONSIBLE, HE PUT ALL HIS/HIS ADMINISTRATIONS ENERGIES INTO TWISTING THIS EVENT INTO AN EXCUSE TO FINISH HIS FATHERS WAR AGAINST IRAQ (WHO HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11).
seriously...you:re fucking retarded. michael moore is a bitch with a camera and you got fooled.
09-13-2001, 04:50 AM
