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Originally posted by BROWNer see, i'm not an expert on it, so i can't say if he's a douchbag alarmist, or
he is onto something. he definitely exhibits a sensationalist attitude.
it seems it would take a good deal of time and research
to refute OR support the claims. maybe you could give a little more depth as to
why/how he is a douche in relation to the claims.
i didn't notice an explicit consideration of the combination of all alternatives, but
maybe becuz some of them are extremely expensive versus actual
impact(according to him).
if oil yields 20 on an energy scale and you take 3 expensive alternatives and
combine them, but each of them yields 1 each, is 3 a reasonable venture?
? i don't know what i'm talkin' about...
metallix is up on this shit i think..maybe villain..
*please respond to this...his argument is that the facts are alarming and action must
be taken now. you disagree..why?
I don't disagree that we have a problem, nor that it needs to be addressed
presently (or in the near future.) I disagree with his criticisms of each
of the alternative resources, and his general demeanor. Take as an
example his criticism of solar energy:
Quote:
Solar power currently supplies .007% of the US energy supply. As a replacement for oil, it is unsuitable due to the following reasons:
1. Energy from solar power varies constantly with weather or day/night.
Thanks for the tip. That's what power cells are for. Also, how often
would clouds (or any weather) affect the daylight conditions in the middle
of a desert? Let's use common sense: We aren't going to pave over our
midwestern states to put up solar panels; we're going to do it in an
otherwise fruitless area.
2. Not practical for transportation needs. While a handful of small, experimental, solar-powered vehicles have been built, solar power is unsuited for planes, boats, cars, tanks, etc. Considering that the direct yield from solar cells is electricity, I don't
know any other form of energy that can be sent around the globe at over 1,000
miles per second. Also, we need only to mass produce the electric motors
that we have now to fully exploit electricity as a clean alternative to oil.
3. Solar cannot be adapted to produce pesticides, fertilizer, or plastics.
No shit. But if we implement this before oil runs out, please believe
there will be plenty of petroleum left for those other products. Burning
oil is its most wasteful use; we need far less of it to create plastics than
we do to run cars.
4. Solar is susceptible to the effects of global climate change, which is projected to greatly intensify in the decades to come.
What the fuck are you talking about? Global climate change. mmk.
Unless we nuke the fuck out of each other and cause a nuclear winter,
there's no way we would cause enough of a climate change as to
discourage solar power use.
5. Estimates are that about 20 percent of US land area would be required to support a solar energy system that would supply less than one-half of our current energy consumption. To develop such a system would require phenomenal level of investment and new infrastructure. This land requirement can be expected to diminish arable (food producing), pasture, and forest lands to some extent, with the most critical loss being arable land.
[i] This is the one I'm going to cut him slack on. The true answer would
be to set up huge fields of solar panels in the middle of the Sahara to
harvest the best amount of sun. However, who (beside someone like Bush)
would risk pissing off the Arabs by threatening their chokehold on the
American economy? It's be morally wrong to force the solar energy
system, and reasoning with them would be close to impossible because
of how much weaker they'd be. (By the way, I realize that the Middle
East and the middle of Africa are 2 entirely different places, with different
people, but I guarantee OPEC would get bitchy all the same.)
The man definitely has a point, and I'm not arguing that we need to take
action. I just don't like his "bend over and kiss our asses goodbye"
attitude. We're far from out of the race.
ok then seeking... seing as you love the comparisons....
Let's just say 60,000 people were at the Superbowl.
And the Superbowl has gone on 38 times now
(sure attendence varies, but it's close) so that means two million,
two hundred and eighty thousdand people have been in those stadiums.
Well imagine the entire attendence of the superbowl from the beginning up to 2080.....
that's how many civilians died at the hands of the Nazis in WWII.
Add that to the military deaths....
i need to get more concrete figures as to the actual 'generally accepted' number of people killed, cause the number fluctuates by the millions depending on who you speak with.
some jew's claim 4 million people died at auschewitz, while other jews (who are of course labled self hating) place the number slightly under a million. that's quite a difference.
not trying to downplay the signifigance of the whole thing, just saying.
I'm not just talking jewish people.
Whatever people might say about the stats,
no one can deny that lots of gypsies, criminals,
gays, communists, handicaps AND jews died.
I used a large figure to cover all the other groups.
Originally posted by S@T@N I'm not arguing that we need to take
action. I just don't like his "bend over and kiss our asses goodbye"
attitude. We're far from out of the race.
well i'm not fond of it either.
thanks for the response.
key, i was talking total number too. i just mentioned the auschewitz thing to point out the huge difference in certain peoples figures, since that example alone changes the total number by nearly half.
tess,
i think this is a fantastic job for you. please find credible figures.
thanks.
key,
correct me if im wrong here, but that first link is claiming 20 million russians died, right? 10 million soldiers, and 10 million civillians?!
400,000 american soldiers died?!
10million chinese?
roughly 50MILLION people total died?!?!
i'll admit right off the bat that my ww2 history is horrible, but those numbers seem incredibly inflated.
Seeking, while I don't know about those other numbers, the Russian
soldiers figure is correct (insofar as it's the most accepted figure.)
The civilian figure may be a little exaggerated though.
Originally posted by Tesseract The biggest loss was against russia...as far as jews....i'm on the point where i cant feel no sympathy at all
So you're saying you think it's ok that all those people were killed like cattle? Or are you saying that you can't NOT feel sympathy? Or is it that since you didn't live through it and all you have for references are movies and history books, you are indifferent? Help me out here, I'm confused by your statement. I don't feel a deep sense of pain by the holocaust but I do think it was horrible, inhuman, and a mar on history. And I am somewhat sympathetic to human suffering.
"Our operational world is an apathetic one, indifferent to itself, dispassionate and deadly boring. And it is useless to be dispassionate in a passionless world. Being carefree in a disinvested world has no meaning. That is how we became orphans."
-Jean Baudrillard
he was in US custody, because we thought he had ties to al qaeda.
fermentor,
what he's saying is that with the way israel is treating the palestinians, he has a hard time shedding tears about what happend to them in the past, when're acting with similar disregard for human life. also, the way that some jewish and israeli leaders seem to treat the world, as if not only were jews the only ones killed, but also the only ones that matter, is a slap in the face to the millions of people who died. of course it was a horrible thing, no one will ever deny that, but it's like 9/11. on 9.12, we had the entire worlds sympathy. today, 80% of the world pretty much hates us.
you can't except past injustices to pay your debt's for the rest of your life.
Originally posted by seeking
fermentor,
what he's saying is that with the way israel is treating the palestinians, he has a hard time shedding tears about what happend to them in the past, when're acting with similar disregard for human life. also, the way that some jewish and israeli leaders seem to treat the world, as if not only were jews the only ones killed, but also the only ones that matter, is a slap in the face to the millions of people who died. of course it was a horrible thing, no one will ever deny that, but it's like 9/11. on 9.12, we had the entire worlds sympathy. today, 80% of the world pretty much hates us.
you can't except past injustices to pay your debt's for the rest of your life.
And thats EXACTLY what i meant in better english than mine, thanx seeks
Theres no point in teaching history when you dont even unerstand it.
Aww fuck i was gonna gow for a old chocke of the chicken
but then i read this shit and then i got disturbing images in my head
Theres no way im watching that movie, who ever did watch it your
fucking sick in the head. Just plain disturbing
Originally posted by mullet Aww fuck i was gonna gow for a old chocke of the chicken
but then i read this shit and then i got disturbing images in my head
Theres no way im watching that movie, who ever did watch it your
fucking sick in the head. Just plain disturbing
hey buddy, its your curiosity eating your brain right now, not mine...
These are the type of questions that will make you click that link in the long run...its not a matter of quality or detail at all though. Its a matter of how real and brutal it is that makes it unbearable
05-13-2004, 07:29 PM
fuck...
