Mare 139

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Mare 139
Mare 139

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My peeps in London town are heated right now over a BANKSY production over a classic ROBBO piece done in 1985. The beef is blowing up online as an Street Art vs Graff issue, respect vs opportunism, old vs new. Londoners are ripping BANSKSY for this blatant diss which didnt go unnoticed or unmatched. ROBBO apparently donned a wet suit and came back on the work and reworked it to his favor, I think this was a good move because it brings to light the issue for debate. I generally like some of BANKSYs work and think that though controversial and full of clever tricks as a street artist I believe either he or his cohorts who have made this judgement in error are going to have to answer to the kids on the streets not the gallerists or curators. There has always been one rule in the game that never falters, dont go over your history no matter how old or wack. I cant imagine going over a Vinny throw up just because, it is a known known here in NYC in which we try to adhere to, let the buff or time erase it, not to say toys dont kill shit but established writers know better. That said I think the Style War continues and will get interesting, Id like to see how BANKSY responds to this if at all, I think he is well outside the fray so it will all be left to the online fodder to debate the diss. Thanks to Choci for putting me up on this.

Peep the press in the UK- http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2786462/Banksys-graffiti-war-with-rival.html

Posted by Mare 139 on December 27, 2009 at 01:24 PM

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choci.roc.top.awe.wrh wrote… Comment #1 posted on December 27, 2009 at 03:20 PM
thanks carlos,the riposte from Robbo really did make a lot of peoples day.i was overwhelmed by the anger directed at the "street art"..the support for we rock hard crew has been enormous..peace
code26 wrote… Comment #2 posted on December 27, 2009 at 04:11 PM
Banksy been around for a while, dude is a old school writer. He should know better than fucking with another geez.
scbench wrote… Comment #3 posted on December 27, 2009 at 05:43 PM
I think that first pic is a little misleading, looks to me like it was pretty wrecked already,
choci.roc.top.awe.wrh wrote… Comment #4 posted on December 29, 2009 at 06:24 PM
back by dope demand
dime one wrote… Comment #5 posted on December 29, 2009 at 08:25 PM
this has happened in my locality - theres at least x2 old school pieces still in existance - 22yrs + old..its all down to respect - banksy should know better, and be setting an example to the newer generations. its sad to say - with this one - its definatley backfired on him..just like cap ruining all them master pieces on the trains.
I give pyschopaths a bad name wrote… Comment #6 posted on December 30, 2009 at 04:49 AM
Banksy knew full well what he was doing (sending a oh so subtle message to Robbo) so Robbo sent a oh so subtle message back### it's a simple battle between those that choose to "Bastardize" art and those that like to keep it in it's purest form :-) fun and games eh?
nobody wrote… Comment #7 posted on December 30, 2009 at 06:24 AM
like scbench said, that piece looked pretty dissed by the time banksy got to it. still cool and maybe he should have left it alone but, yeah.
roota wrote… Comment #8 posted on December 30, 2009 at 09:33 PM
is it just me or is banksy's worker putting up 'robbo wallpaper'??? Still a dog act to destroy something with such history.
no.war wrote… Comment #9 posted on January 01, 2010 at 09:48 PM
first i was a little confused, too but then i saw how it really looked before banksy went over it : http://www.flickr.com/photos/hethb/4062250184/
nelsone wrote… Comment #10 posted on January 04, 2010 at 12:48 AM
The painting was already destroyed, therefore there's no graff rules to judge this act. Long Live Banksy!
roota wrote… Comment #11 posted on January 04, 2010 at 01:30 AM
Cheers; been defaced pretty badly. It would be interesting to know banksys thought behind this peice. A mesage to robbo? But what message? Respect, or a metaphorical slap in the face? Good news for both of them if you ask me, any publicity is good publicity!
buggles wrote… Comment #12 posted on January 31, 2010 at 06:28 PM
first off... banksy always supported graffiti. but the haters will hate. all in all this looks like it be a direct collaborative response from banksy AND possibly from robbo. banksy's addition was strategic. he left the most intact part of robbo's defaced piece... and yeah, the worker IS postering up the robbo piece. you can see this from the peeled up bottom from the second piece in. again, banksy shows his genius.... making a play against the anti-graffiti establishment. mockery of the buff... by a city worker putting up graffiti. And yet, he makes a play on the old graffiti vs. street art argument (maybe this was his intent, maybe it wasn't.. i'm guessing it wasn't. i'm guessing banksy sees himself as an evolution of graffiti not as a reaction against it. we are dealing with an intelligent man). Also note that the guy is holding a roll of painted on paper... again, yeah he's not buffing the robbo piece but putting it up. i'm not sure how robbo felt with his reaction... but we know how the community reacted. robbo could have killed the entire piece and gone over... but he didn't... he left it collaborative. if that was me i would come back saying i was alive yeah... here is ol king robbo. i'm thinking the people are misunderstanding what could be a nod from two kings. i'm guessing that banksy's work was a piece of respect... two kings getting along. maybe robbo was coming back to say fuck you, but i don't think so. I'm thinking if he was saying fuck you he would have gone all over and took the space. if that would have happened to my piece i would have been pleased... i'm going back there to get the collab on, i'm still alive. so instead of capping he removed the roll from the workers arm and made him write king robbo. also keep in mind that banksy might be making a statement on the unity of street art and graffiti. postering is common street art method. postering graffiti... get it? it's unity of both street art and graffiti. but was he making this statement? who knows. this is for all the art critics after he's dead or comes out and says what was on his mind with it. beef? i say nah... just in the minds of the kids... i bet is how they are seeing it. like roota said... its good publicity for both but esp. robbo... and for all we know, this may not be robbo. looks like a stock throw to me... "team robbo?" there's probably chuckles going on about this thread. and you know banksy is a joker... he's always playing games. be fooled... makes shit more legendary. maybe he wrote king robbo.
choci.roc.top.awe.wrh wrote… Comment #13 posted on February 02, 2010 at 02:24 PM
the war goes on,three more wars to be exact...look and ye shall find the next instalments of the robbo versus banksy battle,peace.....
Modfather wrote… Comment #14 posted on February 12, 2010 at 03:43 PM
Gotta say, seems Buggles has a refreshing perspective of the whole situation. At first I too jumped to a similar conclusion as most of you have, I was furious over what I saw, ...till I read Buggles' diagnosis. Personally, I'd like to believe he's right in his assumptions. If not to save face of Banksy — but also to save face of the entire underground graffiti culture that so many are so passionately opinionated about (obviously so), but haven't got an clue about the comprehension of. Excellent "outside the box" thinking if you asked me. Long Live Graffiti! Piece-
da pharma wrote… Comment #15 posted on February 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM
yo, maybe homeboy was using psychology on the flip. cuz that is a nice spot to throw down on. bansky mite of rekonized this and expressed this!knowing, at least in hopes of ROBBO responding,in order to make fresh what was old.schitt, my nigga ROBBO left part of BANSKYs piece. making it a collabrative effort. the finished is dumb clean and fresh like new white nikes. wurd-
EdMaster wrote… Comment #16 posted on May 19, 2010 at 02:32 PM
Cap over Seen style business? Buggles makes sense, thank you for yr analysis, that's what you call "INSIGHT" suckers!
choci.roc.top.awe.wrh wrote… Comment #17 posted on May 20, 2010 at 01:34 PM
@buggles,yeah right........not........nice idea though

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Carlos Mare 139 Rodriguez is an internationally acclaimed artist/sculptor and pioneer in the art and culture of Hip Hop. Leading his generation into a new world of possibility with style writing sculpture, he pioneered a vision that had, before him, no reference outside of the painted subways of the time. Throughout his career as a sculpter, Mare 139 has consistently brought innovation to the genre’s aesthetic and vocabulary. Mare 139 earned the prestigeous 2006 Webby Award for his launch of the Hip Hop documentary Style Wars website. Style Wars has also garnered the COMMARTS/Communication Arts Award, Horizon Interactive Award, as well as SXSW/South by Southwest Interactive. Not only an award winner but an award designer, Mare 139 designed and created the award for the annual BET/Black Entertainment Award show, which is given annually to entertainers, athletes and actors. Recipients include Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, Jay Z, Prince Snoop Dog, Beyonce, Kobe Bryant, Usher, Serena Williams and many others. He also designed a G-Unit Award expressly for 50Cent given to him by fashion designer Marc Ecko. Other award projects include the 2005 and 2007 Red Bull Beat Battle Award and more recent the SPY Award for the 30th Anniversary of the Rock Steady Crew. In 2006-07 Mare 139 worked closely with Director/Actor Robert DeNiro on the film The Good Shepherd as a documenter of ‘the making of the movie’ and as member of Mr. DeNiro’s editing team. His writing has been published in Martha Coopers brilliant photo book Street Play that documents the imaginative ‘play’ of children in the streets of NYC in the late 1970’s. His writings capture the creative play and dangers of his youth in the South Bronx.

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